Titegroup question

[Emerson]

I don't want to be guilty of starting any internet rumors but does anyone think that Titegroup is worse for flame cutting or damaging the blueing on the front of the cylinder than any other powders?

 

[Duke426]

I have not noticed any of those effects using Titegroup. It is the only powder I use in my .357's when shooting jacketed bullets.

 

[Homesteader]

100 rounds through my 629PD and the top strap shield had to be replaced because of flame cutting. Too hot for that gun. Unique only now.

 

[fredj338]

TG does burn very hot. I am not sure why so many shooters want to use an uberfast powder that occupies so little case volumn. I suppose because it is cheap, but powder is THE cheapest part of any pistol load, so I prefer to load a powder based on the performnace window & since I do not shoot mousefart loads, I just don't see the need when there are so many other powders that work as well & do it more safely. I'ld go w/ homesteader on this one.

 

[Skip Sackett]

Titegroup should be used for fertilizer only; IMO!

I have been trying to develop some 44Mag Rifle loads with lead bullets. It has been trying to say the least.

I called Hodgdon and asked about using Lil' Gun with the plain base bullet. The said that it would burn away the base causing some real problems.

I tried it anyway and got only moderate accuracy. I called back and asked about that and they said to try Titegroup. I did. I loaded the maximum weight behind my own cast bullet. I cast them hard as I wanted them to go pretty fast.

With nothing changed other than the powder, @ 100 yards the bullets started "skipping" into the berm! Not to mention the fact that some would hit way to the left while the next would be way to the right! All of this from a rest! I figured the base was burning off causing the bullet to spin uncontrollably.

The volume of powder in the case has always been a concern with me. Titegroup is just too dense causing very little case fill. Accuracy is improved when the case is closer to full. At least that is my experience.


FWIW

 

[Kirmdog]

I used Titegroup last year while shooting a Mod 14 in my Bullseye League. I normaly use BE powder but thought I would give TG a try. I used 2.9 grains of TG under a 148 grain Remington HBWC and it was a good shooting load for me giving excellent accuracy. People had told me that I would get severe leading because TG burns hot. Maybe if I loaded more grains of TG I would get the leading but in the loads I was using I never had a problem. For me it's a toss up between BE and TG for my light target loads. TG seems to smoke less and burn cleaned for me but then I always clean my firearms after I shoot so thats a moot point.

I have never used Titegroup for hot loads in any magnum cases or for any hot loads in any cases for that matter. It may very well contribute to flame cutting in higher preasure loads but with light target loads I've had no problems.

Kirmdog

 

[TSQUARED]

I have used Titegroup in 9mm jacketed bullet loads and some38-40 and 44-40 mild cast bulletb loads. In terms of chrono performance it provides very small velocity variation however it does burn a bit hot. I have fixed on WSF for my 9mm jacketed bullet loads and Trail Boss for the lead bullet loads in the old black powder cartridges.

 

[OKFC05]

Like any other powder, Titegroup works better when it is used for the intended purpose: target loads to meet IDPA and USPSA power factors consistently. It is cleaner and less temp sensitive than HP38, and produces small SD. Just what is needed for long matches in all sorts of weather.

And don't try to use it for hot magnum loads unless you just enjoy frustration!

 

[haggis]

Like any other powder, Titegroup works better when it is used for the intended purpose: target loads to meet IDPA and USPSA power factors consistently. It is cleaner and less temp sensitive than HP38, and produces small SD. Just what is needed for long matches in all sorts of weather.

And don't try to use it for hot magnum loads unless you just enjoy frustration!

+1.

That is specifically what it is good for. Small charge weights, position insensitivity in large cases, meters well, makes 170 PF with unbelievable SD's. If you shoot major PF in IDPA or USPSA, it's a great powder. It's dirty, but if you shoot a couple of hundred rounds of anything, the gun's going to get dirty.


Buck

 

[fredj338]

+1.

That is specifically what it is good for. Small charge weights, position insensitivity in large cases, meters well, makes 170 PF with unbelievable SD's. If you shoot major PF in IDPA or USPSA, it's a great powder. It's dirty, but if you shoot a couple of hundred rounds of anything, the gun's going to get dirty.


Buck

What cartridge are you pushing major in using TG? Not me, waaay to touchy a powder for major in most calibers.

 

[Amici]

What cartridge are you pushing major in using TG? Not me, waaay to touchy a powder for major in most calibers.

Many, if not most, of the .40 shooters at the USPSA matches in my area use TG under a 180 gr. jacketed bullet. That's what I bought it for, but I haven't finished my VV N350 yet.

 

[haggis]

What cartridge are you pushing major in using TG? Not me, waaay to touchy a powder for major in most calibers.

.45ACP. Remember that "major", as defined by the various shooting sports, is still considerably lower than the standard loading of .45ACP (165 versus 200). If you're trying to run a hot nine (gamer! ), that's another story altogether.


Buck

 

[fredj338]

Many, if not most, of the .40 shooters at the USPSA matches in my area use TG under a 180 gr. jacketed bullet. That's what I bought it for, but I haven't finished my VV N350 yet.

Shooting minor? Going to 930fps+ using TG in the 40 is just asking for trouble IMO, Bullet setback would be ugly. Hey, I'm just a TG hater. I think it causes far more problems than it solves all for 2/10 of a penny savings in powder. I just don't get it? Run 5.4gr of WSF & have quite a bit more margine pressure wise, not to mention, WSF has shown the best accuracy in my 40 loads. ALos, WSF runs very well w/ lead bullet loads.
180 GR. HDY XTP Hodgdon Titegroup .400" 1.125" 4.2 877 26,500 PSI 4.7 978 33,300 PSI
180 GR. HDY XTP Winchester WSF .400" 1.125" 5.4 946 28,000 PSI 5.8 1013 32,900 PSI

 

[Calaveras Slim]

I don't have a problem with T.G. Course I use it for special loads, 38 special, 41 special and 44 special. Some in 45 Colt. Never in Magnums, cuz I don't like Magnum rounds. Guess I'm too old to try and convert to a mag cartridge.

So, I use T.G., W231 and 700X for about 95% of my loading

 

[Landric]

I use Titegroup for .44 Russian and .45 ACP. I've tried it in .32 H&R Magnum, .357 Magnum, and .44 Special, but I didn't like it so much in those. I like it in wide, shallow cases because its volume is so low its much easier to see (and verify volume). My preference is 2400 in .357 and .44 Special, and 2400 or AA#5 in .32 H&R.

 

[Paul5388]

My grandson-in-law gave me a pound of Titegroup that has thoroughly unimpressed me.

I also got a couple of pounds of WSF that hasn't impressed me a whole lot either. However, I will use WSF and I don't use Titegroup.

Then there's the old discontinued HS-5 that maybe about like the other ball powders. I have some cast 9mm loaded with it, but haven't had an opportunity to shot them yet.

Maybe I would change my mind if I rechecked their metering abilities again, but previous checks have failed to demonstrate superior metering compared to some flake powders I have checked.

 

[Amici]

I also got a couple of pounds of WSF that hasn't impressed me a whole lot either. However, I will use WSF and I don't use Titegroup.

You might try WST. Same basic applications as 231 and TiteGroup, but I find it cleaner and better-metering than 231.

 

[Paul5388]

I may have to reassess after the session I had tonight.

I had some HS-5 in my RCBS Uniflo hopper and equipped with the small micrometer the ten samples I weighed ranged from 5.30 gr to 5.40 gr. My scale will accurately read in increments of .02 gr, so it appears the metering is as good as many claim.

Now I need to try Titegroup and WSF again and see if they do as well.

 

[johngalt]

I used up 1# back when I was first reloading and experimenting with various powders. I didn't really find it to be better than anything else. I did notice that it burned hot, and it leaded up a little worse than 231.

I never loaded anything very hot with it, I used it mostly for loading 230 gr FMJ .45 auto. No leading concerns there.