To those on the 'other side' . . . .

NFrameFred

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We are more alike than we are different. Though the media has a vested interest in ‘stirring the pot’ and pitting both sides against each other, it would behoove all of us to remember their gleeful motto – “If it bleeds, it leads”. And if it sells papers or garners viewers, the gorier the better. So let’s step back, recognize that neither side is less than horrified by the events at Sandy Hook Elementary School and look at some facts using common sense.

There is a real danger for all concerned in letting emotion rule the day. It’s easy to blame the inanimate object of the gun to vent frustration, since you can’t be called racist or misogynist or bigoted by attacking an object. It feels good to demand “something be done” and allow ourselves to feel outrage. By passing more meaningless and impotent laws some feel that “at least we’re doing something”.

But let’s be realistic for a moment. We have passed thousands of laws and regulations and still people drive drunk, steal, rob, assault, and kill. We’ve thrown obscene amounts of money at social programs for fifty years and, I’m sorry, but the Left’s plaintive cry is that we just haven’t spent enough or the right people just haven’t been in charge to make it work rings as hollow as the same promises about Communism. We’ve removed personal accountability and responsibility from anti-social behavior accepting that it is permissible and ‘just the way it is’. The men of our society father children and then make themselves scarce in the support and raising of those children, since imposing a morality that says a family should consist of a mother and father who serve as good examples for their children and discipline and train them with love is now considered unreasonable and judgmental. Our cities and urban centers are clogged with children who gravitate toward criminal gang activity in an effort to feel like part of some twisted marred image of what the family is supposed to provide.

We hear and many apparently give credence to those who make excuses and dismiss any blame for violent images, films, and recreational games that use techniques recognized by our own military to remove and suppress the inhibitions and reluctance of soldiers to kill adversaries up close. And then these same folks dismiss any connection or causality when mentally disturbed impressionable people who have been allowed to immerse themselves in this conditioning act on it by murdering multiple people to make a statement to show their anger and defiance to the world before they end their own miserable existence.

Let’s be honest and admit the truth. Guns have been plentiful and easily available throughout our modern history yet we saw no such massacres until recent times. A sense of personal entitlement to act as we want in public without having to conform to traditional social mores and to exercise our rights to flaunt convention at everyone else’s expense is now the accepted model. So let’s call it as it is – the access and availability to guns has not changed, the way we act in public and the way we raise our children has.

If you have a bratty child who refuses to honor others’ space and property and keep his hands to himself you can a) indulge him, make excuses and give him what he wants at everyone else’s expense; b) refuse to correct him and attempt to restrict his reach by changing the rest of the world to accommodate him at everyone else’s expense; or, c) teach him properly, restrict and correct his behavior through discipline if necessary until he falls in line and at least acknowledges he must conform to get along in the world whether he likes it or not.

Though the obvious answer to anyone with a lick of common sense is “C”, it seems a great portion of the world chooses to continue to cling to “A” and “B”.

When my children were small and we went into someone else’s home I did not expect the homeowner to put up out of reach all the fragile home decorations, picture frames, remote TV controls or other such possessions. Neither did I tolerate my children touching/accessing these items or expect the host to be responsible for letting the children know it wasn’t acceptable. They were my children – it was my responsibility. Some did not agree with us lightly slapping their little hands/fingers when a verbal ‘no’ wasn’t heeded by the curious youngsters. But the truth of the matter is we had to actually administer such corporal punishment very few times before the child learned that ‘no’ meant ‘no’ and refusal to recognize it carried consequences. The result was they altered their behavior and I am proud to say we raised two very successful responsible adults who exhibit no lasting damage from having their hands slapped a few times at that age.

If we truly want to reduce the number of these horrific mass murder incidents (because it is folly to imagine such can be completely eliminated) then we must change what we are willing to accept in personal and public behavior and go back to what some adamantly insist on calling outdated values. But in truth, I do not expect this to happen, because then the responsibility falls on us personally and many don’t want to be held accountable for it. So it’s easier to blame an inanimate object under the guise of “doing something”. Just stop being hypocritical about it and pretending you’re actually accomplishing something other than restricting the rights and safety of the innocent.
 
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I agree the guns don't act up all by themselves. We have real situations regarding various bans and limits and can see that the actual effects haven't reduced homocides or suicides.

I'm all for reducing senseless death and can certainly say the gun ban proved not to be the answer. We need to keep looking for some way to help and protect and to pretend we can somehow ban our way into helping only mocks the victims. Try not to let anti-gun folks tell you banning is the answer. It isn't and we all need to put our thinking caps on if we're serious about helping people who need help rather than ignore them and have them continue harming others.
 
a lack of discipline and respect is what fuels the craziness in today's society. Children are not schooled in these attributes at an early age and in many cases there is little or no family life.
many today believe that they are SO special and beyond reproach. The prisons are swelled with murders and rapists who are kept warm, fed and well with tax dollars.
pleasures are sought before substance and the pit grows deeper and wider.
 
I'm afraid the obsession to "fix people" is the problem. There is an old set of simple rules that should be followed, but modern thought has promoted the scrutiny and analysis of our every quirk from early childhood and the resulting justification, the placing of blame on other people or even inanimate objects makes matters worse. It's delusional. But parents (who fear their children won't like them)and government (that knows votes are won by coddeling) are dishonest. And dishonesty has cost.
Maybe time to admit we have a problem that we can't fix. Not on our own.
 
I agree that social change is in order. I think it was Margaret Thatcher who said "There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families." Unfortunately, I believe that this is more often true than false. This does not mean that we have to accept this as a society as a permanent state. I'd like to think that we can do better.

So if we can agree that social change is a good long-term goal (the logic being that such significant change will take a long time to effect), we can start to look at our media, family values, parent involvement, discipline of children, educational system, etc. This said, we still need a short-term solution to the problem of wanton violence.

I tend to view the world through the lens of a ethologist. I think Mother Nature is a mad scientist and she tries out different genetic concoctions to see how well they'll fare. We see the good in the people who are blessed with exceptional talent of some sort. We see the bad in the criminals and psychopaths who don't adhere to the laws of society.

I personally do not believe that criminals or psychopaths can be rehabilitated or changed. Personality is being shown more and more to be genetically hard-coded. We might be able to change these things eventually, but we don't have the technology now to effect permanent change. We can apply chemical restraints to alter behavior, but ensuring medication compliance is a large hurdle that has yet to be overcome.

I think this leaves us with two choices: Either accept that these people walk among us and hope that we never encounter them (this appears to be the Liberal way of thinking - that violence can be prevented through restrictive laws), or we can prepare for these encounters, even though they may be extremely low probability events.

I'm definitely in the latter camp. When Liberals try to explain to me that I don't really need guns, as I can prevent bad things from happening to me through prevention (e.g., having a security system, avoiding bad parts of town, calling 911, etc.), I ask if they keep a spare tire in their car, a fire extinguisher in their home, a cell phone by their bed, have a life insurance policy, lock their doors and windows at night, etc.

I try to explain that I know that the odds of a home invasion are miniscule in my development; that chances are my daughters won't get molested/raped; and that I'm at low risk of being robbed/killed while out of the house. But to me, the potential consequences of any of these would have such adverse permanent effects upon my life and/or my family that I would much rather be over-prepared for a low probability event than unprepared. I personally view this as being part of the role of a parent: I want to protect my girls and try to ensure they make it to adulthood safely and without the burden of psychological or physical trauma.

The key to the short term solution, at least in my mind, is accepting that criminals & psychopaths are different from "civilized" individuals and that as such, they are not going to be inconvenienced by the laws we attempt to impose upon them. When discussing this topic with Liberals, I use the "what if" scenarios. Here are a few of my favorites:

"What if your home gets invaded in the middle of the night and the police don't respond for 20 minutes. When they do respond, they wait outside for the SWAT team to arrive. Do you recall what happened in the 2007 home invasion in Cheshire, CT? The home invasion took place over seven hours."

"What if you knew the next mass shooter had targeted your children's school? What precautions would you want to take? You can't disarm the shooter, as they're not going to abide by the laws anyway. You also know that police protocol is to wait for backup, such as what happened during the Columbine school shooting."

"What if there is an extended power blackout (natural disaster, etc.)? Your phone and cell phone are dead. There are gangs of looters, murderers, and rapists roaming the streets and invading homes. There is no way for you to call for the police. How could you possibly defend yourself or your family?"

"What if you're driving with your significant other and get lost. You end up in a bad part of town and your car is stopped by a gang of men who beat the daylights out of the man and gang rape the woman? (this actually happened)"

What I hear from Liberals is "Yeah, but what are the odds of those things happening?" I agree that they're very low, but add "...but can you imagine how helpless you'd feel not being able to protect yourself or your loved ones? These horrible things do happen to people and it can't always be to someone else."

In sum, I think we need both long and short-term solutions. When dealing with anti-gunners, I think much of their reasoning is based upon emotion. If we can keep our cool and present emotion-laden scenarios of the past logically, we can hopefully start to sow the seeds of doubt in their minds about the efficacy of banning guns from law-abiding citizens.

Maybe.
 
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