Today's Gun Bill - a question in re Internet sales

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This one item confuses me. I am aware of the auction sites and other sites where people offer guns for sale, just as we do on this Forum. However, AFAIK, every Internet site where guns are sold requires the sellers to utilize FFLs to complete their transactions. If I am correct, what is all the hoopla on Internet sales about?

Yes, I know that if I advertise a gun for sale on this Forum, and I find a buyer anywhere in Texas, we can close the deal directly without an FFL. But that just falls under another type of private transaction. If I find a buyer in 49 other states (for sake of argument let's assume I can ship a gun into all those places) I am required by law to ensure that the firearms is delivered to the buyer via an FFL. If I don't do that we're both committing a crime. Right?

So I don't believe for a minute that some huge percentage of gun sales happen through the Internet without FFLs and background checks. Another Big Lie.

Someone tell me I'm wrong....

***GRJ***
 
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Nope, you're not wrong.
 
I read on CNN where they were exempting FTF transfers between residents from the same state.
 
I read on CNN where they were exempting FTF transfers between residents from the same state.

Don't you believe it, not for even a second, that's what we have now, and they clearly aren't satisfied with it.
 
Remember, if a politicos lips are moving, the chance that they are misspeaking or outright not truthful are greatly enhanced.:rolleyes:
 
My understand of the text found here Posted: Full Text of 'The Public Safety And Second Amendment Rights Protection Act' | The Weekly Standard Is that they are one trying to close the "gun show loop hole" and two eliminating FTF transfers of firearms by advertisement via the internet or other publication. The only exceptions that i see, and i could be mistaken, are if you are family (or your spouses family, even seems to include distant relatives aunts and uncles) or if you state already has similar measures. The information on this can be found in SEC. 122. FIREARMS TRANSFERS.
 
I see no changes that would affect my acquisition of legally obtained firearms. Every gun I've bought in recent years has had a background check run with no rejections or delays.

I feel too many are reading into this what they want to see rather than what it actually says. But that's only my opinion.
 
Read that that televanglist's son who shot himself bought the gun he used over the 'net. Article said it had the ser.nos. ground off. :rolleyes:
 
For what it is worth, here is a summary explanation released by Manchin's office the other day.

The Public Safety and Second Amendment Rights Protection Act,

Our bill does three major things: 1) expands the existing background check system to cover commercial sales, including sales at gun shows and internet sales; 2) strengthens the existing instant check system by encouraging states to put all their available records into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS); 3) establishes a National Commission on Mass Violence to study in-depth all the causes of mass violence in our country.

1. Leveling the playing field for gun sales:
• Under current law, if you buy a gun at a gun show from a licensed dealer, you have to undergo a background check by that dealer. But you can go to a non-
dealer table at the gun show, or into the parking lot, and buy a gun without a background check.

o Our bill ensures that anyone buying a gun at a gun show has to undergo a background check by a licensed dealer.
• Under current law, if you buy a gun online interstate (from one state to another), the gun must be shipped to a licensed dealer, you must go to that dealer and get a background check before you purchase the gun. However, for intrastate (in the same state) sales, no background check is required and you can sell the gun to the person without ever meeting face-to-face.
o Our bill requires that the current system for interstate sales be expanded to cover intrastate sales as well—so all purchasers buying guns online must undergo a background check by a licensed dealer.
• As under current law, background checks are performed by licensed dealers, and recordkeeping will not change—dealers will keep the records in bound books, like they do now. The federal government cannot keep records.
• Our bill explicitly bans the federal government from creating a registry and creates a new penalty for misusing records to create a registry—a felony punishable by 15 years in prison.
• As under current law, temporary transfers do not require background checks, so, for example, you can loan your hunting rifle to your buddy without any new restrictions or requirements.
• As under current law, transfers between family, friends, and neighbors do not require background checks. You can give or sell a gun to your brother, your
neighbor, your coworker without a background check. You can post a gun for sale on the cork bulletin board at your church or your job without a background check.
• Our bill also fixes problems in current law that unfairly limit the Second Amendment rights of law abiding gun owners by:
o Allowing interstate handgun sales from licensed dealers. Outdated current law only allows interstate sales of rifles and shotguns. This will bring more sales into the background check system.
o Allowing active military to buy firearms in their home states and the state in which they are stationed. Current law restricts them to purchasing only from their duty station.
o Allowing dealer-to-dealer sales at gun shows taking place in a state in which they are not a resident. Currently these sales are only permitted for dealers from the same state in which the gun show is being held.
o Protecting sellers from lawsuits if the buyer is cleared through the expanded background checks system and the weapon is subsequently used in a crime. This is the same treatment gun dealers receive now.
o Authorizing the use of a state concealed carry permit that has been issued within the last five years in lieu of a background check when
purchasing a firearm from a dealer because background checks are required to receive conceal carry permits.

2. Getting all the names of prohibited purchasers into the background check system
• There are serious problems currently with states not putting records into the NICS system. One tragic example: records on the Virginia Tech shooter that
would have put him on the prohibited purchasers list had not been entered into the system.
• Our bill encourages states to provide all their available records to NICS by eliminating unnecessary responsibilities for states and directing future grant
money towards creating systems to send records to NICS. The bill will also reduce federal funds to states that do not comply.
• Provides additional Second Amendment protections to our veterans.
• Requires that if a background check at a gun show does not result in a definitive response from NICS within 48 hours, the sale may proceed. After four
years, when the NICS improvements are completed, the background check would be required to clear in 24 hours. Current law is three business days.

3. Establishes a National Commission on Mass Violence
• Creates a commission of non-elected experts in their fields who will study the causes of mass violence in the United States, looking at all
aspects of the problem, including mental health, guns, school safety and portrayals of violence in the media. This broad approach is absolutely necessary to truly address our culture of violence.
WHAT THE BILL WILL NOT DO
The bill will not, in any way, shape, or form infringe upon anyone’s Second Amendment rights to keep and bear arms.
The bill will not take away anyone’s guns. The bill will not ban any type of firearm.
The bill will not ban or restrict the use of any kind of bullet or any size clip or magazine.
The bill will not create a national registry; in fact, it explicitly prohibits it.
 
Guys, as Federal law stands now there is no prohibition on the transfer of a firearm between to non-licensees within their state of residence unless there is a shipment of the firearm involved. I can sell a gun to Joe Citizen as long as we are both residents of the same state and the sale is face to face according to FEDERAL LAW. State law can be different and must be obeyed also. If I choose to ship the gun to Joe Citizen even within our home state the transfer must go through an FFL and there will be a background check then. All interstate transfers must go through an FFL at the receiving end.
 
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