Trimming 9mm?

THANK YOU ALL! For the wonderfull insight into taking the nescessary precautions while getting into this hobby. Very usefull info from all of you and I am gratefull to say the least. I will definetly be getting that ABC's guide book and take the winter months to read thru it and get familiar with what Ill be doing come spring. I need to get thru the holiday spending and get my daughter some things shes been asking me for, then taking my first steps into reloading. At least this gives me time to get to the range and start saving a stash of brass :D
 
Normally I agree with the Elders of the Reloading thread but this time I don't agree and this is why. Long ago in the days of just two 357 mag revolvers (Ruger Security Six and Colt rooper Mk 3), I had the misfortune of really stuck cases and flattened primers -- sometimes. Started check case length and found that my bought new and fired 6 times brass had grown 0.015" to 0.025" over max case length. Couple of years later had the same experience with 44 mag brass. With considerable effort I emptied all my 357 and 44 mag ammo into to targets. Then I trimmed the fired cases to 0.015" less than minimum case length and resized using a carbide sizer die. Cases were at minimum case length ±.002". Never deburred or chamfered the cases - just trimmed, resized and loaded.

Since I trimmed all my mag brass, I've never had a stuck case because it was too long. I keep range pick up brass separate until it gets trimmed and then gets dumped into reloadable brass bucket.
 
It's true that pistol cases can occasionally be too long. This typically happens (in my experience) if the cases were not at a proper trim length to begin with. For brass that is my own, i.e. I processed it initially or after picking it up at the range, I don't worry about length any more. For brass that comes to me from an unknown source, such as range pickups, I pull a 10% sample and check for length after the first sizing at my own bench.

I think this is a good practice for any brass, rifle or pistol. I examine and process range pickups with a fine tooth comb. Once the brass is in my circulation and has gone through my own press a time or two, I don't worry as much.

One note here that is somewhat on topic. If you do pick up brass at the range, looks for signs of handloads. If a handloader dumps brass in a range bucket, there's almost certainly a reason for it. Possibly they know they've loaded it too many times and are discarding it. This is not good brass to bring into your reloading room. A good sign is a wrong color primer. i.e., a gold colored Winchester primer in a Federal case. That is certainly a handload, and if a handloader dumped a whole box worth of it in a brass bucket, leave it alone. When you see someone shooting factory ammo, and take their cases when they are done, that is the best once fired brass you can ask for. No question as to its origins.
 
Do we all agree that if you trim (any) case, you first need to size, and then only trim ? One time I forgot to size .357 cases and started trimming, and almost non of them were over the max size. After realizing this after a dozen of cases, I stopped triming, sized the dies, and re-trimmed. Many cases were then over max length.

I also seem to notice once-fired brass would be relatively often over the max (for .357, not 9mm), but in the following reloads not anymore. In other words, after the first firing's increase, they did not stretch much more in the following usage/reloads.

Is that right ?

B686
 
I agree that in trimming brass, it should be sized first. As to once fired brass did you measure it before resizing? I would think it would be slightly over if not re sized but never really checked many.

What always gets me, is in load data they have trimmed to length which is always a bit under max.

I have never "trimmed to".
 
Never trimmed pistol brass and don't no anybody that does.welcome to the reloading hobby .have fun and always double check your work.
 
If you measure 9mm brass especially range pickups you will find various sizes. If you just want to send a bullet down range don't waste your time trimming. If you want to give yourself every advantage possible for a best score then you can trim all to the same size. .750 works well.
 
I just want to throw in that unless you are loading for something like a Model 52 as stated above, if you ever find handgun brass that MUST be trimmed and checked each time then I would say it is bad brass and should be culled.
 
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