Victorinox ID help.

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I have a pocket knife that was my dad's. He said he bought it from a sidewalk vendor in the Philippines 20 or some years ago. Anyone familiar with this particular knife?

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Looks like the cutting blade of one of the usually red Swiss Army Knives. The 2 other blades do not look like others I have seen on the Swiss Army knives
Steve W
 
looks like a modded German army knife

That's what I'd say, too. GAK pattern has the main blades all hinged at the same end. I have a Victorinox Mauser GAK that has almost the same blades. Spear point blade, saw/screwdriver, and a clip point blade in the center where this one has a serrated blade. And the scales are olive drab plastic instead of stag.

The stag scales may be home-made. I have been unable to find any reference to one of these coming from Victorinox with stag scales, but here is a link to a guy who made his own:
http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?41491-Victorinox-GAK-In-Stag

Neither have I seen a reference to the serrated center blade. Either way, it's unusual.

p.s. I take it back. Your knife appears to be the Safari Hunter, or similar. Here is a link that contains a reference to a stag-handled version:
http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?41491-Victorinox-GAK-In-Stag
 
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I don't think that Swiss Army Brands imports this here routinely, but they could probably get you one. I think the stag is an option on some Victorinox models in other countries, inc., obviously, Switzerland.

This is also made in an olive-handled version, as someone noted. And maybe in red, although a different plastic than the usual ones. It's checkered.

The knife is for hunters, and one blade is for gutting.

I have the former Bundswehr knife which has the same basic layout, save for olive scales and no gutting blade. It's very useful, and the saw works better than some might think.

Take care of it. That combo is hard to come by here, and may no longer be in production. There was indeed a similar knife made with a Mauser logo in the handle. The red-handled version of the Bundswehr knife was at one time sold here as the Safari.

You can ask about it by writng to the maker:

Carl Elsener Messerfabrik (Victorinox)
Attention: Export Director
CH-6438
Ibach-Schwyz,
Switzerland


The Export Director will read English. I've written to them several times over the years, and response has been quick and cordial.

Thanks for your post. I enjoyed seeing that knife.
 
Agreed. That is exactly what it is. You can tell by the saw sheath. The stag handles are a nice touch.



No, that is NOT what it is. The German contract knife lacks the gutting blade. If this model was indeed pitched to firemen, the blade in that aplication may have been meant to rip open seatbelts, cut off victims' clothing, etc.

But they have used that or a very similar blade on versions aimed at hunters.

BTW, Victorinox was only one of several contractors who filled German military orders. Some were made in Spain and in Italy. I suspect the reason was lower bids. That knife, and the Victorinox model formerly called the Soldier (the real Swiss- issued knife) have been replaced by newer models. These feature a hole at the top of the blade to allow one-handed opening. The Swiss and German versions are pretty similar.
 
It is known as a "Fireman", an offshoot of the GAKs. Made between 1994 and 1998, only 2380 were produced, according to my info. Only the Fireman had the serrated gutter.
I would guess the stag is factory. That is a really nice knife!

SAAM's - Victorinox 108mm


Geoff-

Thanks for the excellent link. The knife shown as the Pathfinder was sold here also as the Safari, not the same as the Safari Hunter shown, which adds the gutting blade. Apart from the red handle, it's the same as the Trooper, which I have. I wish now that I'd bought a Safari/Pathfinder, too. A very useful design... the saw is actually also a multi-tool, adapted to opening cans and bottles, and has a screwdriver function in two sizes.

I didn't realize that the 108mm (closed) knives were discontinued. That's a real pity.
 
They make great knives. All of 'em. Can't even count the number of them I have given away over the years as gifts. I literally saved a guys life with one once, combined with the jaws of life (really a Hurst tool) which of course destroyed the knife. Victorinox gave me a Swisschamp for that. And with my own every day pocket knife, in the dark, the only light from a single cell AAA penlight, I field dressed a deer, using wet grass to tie off the intestine. The saw went right through the pelvis no problem. Amazingly functional pocket knives, IMO.
 
They make great knives. All of 'em. Can't even count the number of them I have given away over the years as gifts. I literally saved a guys life with one once, combined with the jaws of life (really a Hurst tool) which of course destroyed the knife. Victorinox gave me a Swisschamp for that. And with my own every day pocket knife, in the dark, the only light from a single cell AAA penlight, I field dressed a deer, using wet grass to tie off the intestine. The saw went right through the pelvis no problem. Amazingly functional pocket knives, IMO.


Geoff-

Great post! What is a Hurst tool, and why did it destroy the knife? What was happening? How did Victorinox get to hear of this? :confused:

Their Export Director sent me a copy of their centennial book, which has testimonials in the back from some who used their knives in a dramatic way. One was used on an airliner (prior to 9-11-01) to perform a tracheotomy. (sp?) Someone loaned a doctor his SAK for that when a passenger was choking.

I have a SwissChamp in an SOS Kit in my briefcase, and it has proven amazingly useful. I have smaller knives on me, but that SOS Kit has its uses.
 
A Hurst tool is the original jaws of life, developed by the same company as the famous Hurst shifter. It was invented when one of their race drivers died in a wreck, trapped in the wreckage, taking his last breath while still trapped. Hand tools only back then. The Hurst company was upset enough that they took matters in to their own hands, and they saved a lot of lives as a result. Today across the world, there are a few good "jaws of life" hydraulic rescue tools, but the Hurst is the original.

I worked in Fire/EMS for over a decade. One day at an interstate crash, we had a driver pinned in his car. The frame and floor creased and crumpled, folding inward in a way that brought the seat in to the dashboard, compressing the driver tightly in to the dash. He was unconcious, critically injured, blue from a lack of oxygen even though he was sort of still able to breathe.
Normally a socket wrench on the seat bolts would be an option, but the sheet metal of the floor folded in a way that prevented a socket from getting to the rear seat bolts, the fronts would be no problem. We needed him out, and quickly, before we lost him. Those bolts were the fastest way...
We didn't appear to have anything in our tool kits that would get a good bite and shear the bolts off, not safely anyway, and in a moment of desperate thought I pulled my knife out of my pocket and opened up the screw driver/bottle opener. The Hurst was already deployed, as we had cut the roof off and removed the driver's door with it, so it was right there. I placed the curved end of the bottle opener against the first seat bolt, for a grip/bite, and there was enough length of the knife so that the jaws would be able to reach it, and so I carefully directed the Hurst crew to put the jaws against my knife on one side, and the crumpled floor on the other, and slowly open them up a little. They did so, and immediately the plastic handles broke off, the whole knife twisted in my grip, but it held and with a loud snap it sheared off the first seat bolt. Success! Then slowly, we did the rest of them, shearing each of them off (4 in total) while others were clicking away at the front seat bolts with the socket wrench.
In about 2 minutes, it turned from a scene we all thought was going to be a tragedy in to one of triumph. A few minutes later, the cyanosis (blue) coloration was gone. The man remained unconcious during the ride to the hospital.
A few days later, after dropping off another patient, I stopped by to see him, introduce myself, and fill in some blanks for him. I made sure he heard this tale, and I gave him the remains of the knife that saved him, twisted, broken, the screwdriver/bottle opener forever locked open. Some of his family was in the room with him, and they heard the tale as well. Great pocket knives, but no match against 32,000 psi at the tips of those jaws. I had already gone out and replaced my knife with a new one.
Then years later, and I mean about 15 or 20, I finally got around to getting this testimonial to Victorinox. Everyone had been telling me for years I should do so. Apparently they liked it too. They sent me a nice letter, and a Champ, also with the SOS kit. It goes along in my pack when I hunt, or out on all day woods hikes, but I don't routinely carry it.
 
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