Vortex Strike Fire Red Dot

[2001gmc]

Are these pretty decent Red Dot's? I'm looking to get a scope for my M&P AR when I get it. I'm wanting to stay $200 and under. Any suggestions on the Vortex or any other brands. Maybe Nikon or something. I've never had a Red Dot before hows the battery's last in them? Thanks in advance for the input.

 

[MPDC]

Vortex Strikefire Red dot (NOT the red/green version) is a very good budget optic. With the included AR mount it will "Absolute cowitness" BUIS.

Try Primary ARMs for their house brand red dots too. Both the Vortex and PA red dots get good reviews.

 

[TangoFoxtrot]

Here is another option Log On | TRUGLO, Inc. TRU•BRITE™ OPEN RED•DOT SIGHT
SKU# TG8380B OTD price was $100 and it holds up during run and gun training. Its accurate, durable and is absolute co-witness, no risers needed. For the price even if it did fail I can go out immediately and replace it without breaking the bank. You definitely get your moneys worth and then some.

 

[Splittiebus66]

i have some trigger time behind a Vortex sparc. Its a nice option as well. If you go for the Strikefire get the new red dot version only

 

[1fly2ty]

I have the Vortex Strikefire and highly recommend it, it sit on a S&W M&P-15 in 5.45X39. I also like the fact that it comes with a screw in 2X eypeice and mine has only the red dot and it was $158.00 out the door at LGS. I use a 4.5X14 Burris on my other AR-15 with a BDC Reticle and for longer ranges it works extremely well.

 

[2001gmc]

I have the Vortex Strikefire and highly recommend it, it sit on a S&W M&P-15 in 5.45X39. I also like the fact that it comes with a screw in 2X eypeice and mine has only the red dot and it was $158.00 out the door at LGS. I use a 4.5X14 Burris on my other AR-15 with a BDC Reticle and for longer ranges it works extremely well.

Do you got a pic of your Strikefire on your gun you can post?

 

[oneyeopn]

Ok I had a trueglo..great red dot. the only problem I had with it was the 5moa dot. It completely covered up the target at 50 yards. If I were to buy another red dot it will be a 1 moa or less.

 

[MPDC]

Too small a red dot can be , well, too small. Remember, these are really for fast target acquisition at relatively close range where kill shots are the goal. Precision shooting is better served by magnified scopes with more precision reticles.

Even Nikon's M223 1-4 riflescope has a 3 MOA "Point Blank" reticle designed for fast target acquisition and rapid fire as in three gun competition.

IMHO, a 1 MOA dot in an open site defeats the purpose for an open sight like the one described.

 

[oneyeopn]

MPDC....ok I get that, I really never shoot for that, when I shoot it is always for precision one shot one kill at whatever distance and that would explain why the red dots never worked for me. For that short of distances I have my pistols with which I am pretty solid, and a 45acp is a one shot one kill still at under 50.

 

[MPDC]

MPDC....ok I get that, I rea lly never shoot for that, when I shoot it is always for precision one shot one kill at whatever distance and that would explain why the red dots never worked for me. For that short of distances I have my pistols with which I am pretty solid, and a 45acp is a one shot one kill still at under 50.

Yep, my accuracy is better with my 3-9 scoped 10/22 than with my AR because of the scope and method of fire (free hand instead of bench). I am considering getting a longer bbl.'d AR and a higher powered scope but honestly don't have occassion to shoot over 100 yards where I can go and I don't hunt so................................

Good shooting to be deadly at fifty yards with a forty five. You must be a Marine!

 

[1fly2ty]

2001gmc
took a picture not sure how to post it!

 

[2001gmc]

2001gmc
took a picture not sure how to post it!

If you have pic saved to your computer you can click on the little paperclip to right of smiley face above. Just browse after you click it and go find it and click up load. Or if you have it saved to a photoshare site like photobucket or somewhere you can click on the yellow square up top and copy image location then paste it to that and put in post.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I agree with MPDC. 1x Red dot isn't for precision shooting. The advantages of a 1x red dot are unlimited field of view and unlimited eye relief which translates to fast target acquisition.

To the person who is having difficulty seeing his target with a 5MOA dot... If you want to get more precise aiming on paper with your 5MOA red dot (which a red dot is really not intended for in the first place), you need not use the center of the dot for aim. You can use the top edge of the dot similarly to how you would use the top edge of your front sight post. Just put the 12 o'clock top edge of your 5MOA dot where you want the bullet to strike.

As well, consider how much target the front sight post covers up at 100yds. I was reading that depending on the sight radius with a .07 post it's about the equivalent of 12 to 16MOA. Maybe someone here can provide the math on that to verify, but where I was reading appeared to be quite knowledgeable on the subject. So maybe that 5MOA dot isn't so big after all.

 

[MPDC]

The 5 moa dot (as with any unmagnified sight) becomes larger as the target distance increases because it , in effect, covers more of the target(exactly as an iron sight post does). Most MOA figures are quoted for 100 yards in magnified scopes. MOA calculations for adjustments are halved at fifty yards and doubled for 200 yds.

 

[MPDC]

Most firearm sighting scopes incorporate windage and elevation adjustments referenced to MOA (minute of angle). Each click of the scope turret is usually 1/4 MOA change and on some scopes 1/8 MOA. Normally, shooters refer to these adjustments as a change of a fraction of an inch at 100 yards rather than the true value of MOA for which they are supposedly calibrated to. The value of inch is a nice easy number to work with and most of us can easily visualize its length and its multiples without the aid of a calculator. Actually the comparison is close enough to not be of practical concern, especially at distances up to a few hundred yards, and the real difference is a mere 0.47 inch at 1000 yards. For serious target shooting and as shooting distances increase the attention to MOA value relative to sight adjustment becomes more essential.



Calculating Minute of Angle
The angle of an arc is expressed in number of degrees. There are 360 degrees of arc to a full circle. Each degree consists of 60 minutes of arc. The distance covered by the measure of arc is relative to the circumference (total distance around the circle) it is contained within. Knowing the radius (distance to center of circle) circumference is easily calculated by using the constant pi . The ratio (represented by pi ) of circumference is constant to diameter (radius x 2) regardless of circle size. The precise value of pi is so far unknown to man but is normally resolved to 3.1416 or 3.141 for our purposes.


Suppose a circle with a 6 inch radius. Circumference can be calculated as:

circumference = (radius x 2) x pi
circumference = (6 x 2) x 3.1416
circumference = 12 x 3.1416
circumference = 37.6992 inches

The distance covered by 1 degree of angle (37.6992 / 360 or, circumference divided by 360 degrees) is 0.1047 inch at 6 inches from center of circle.
And, 1 minute of angle represents (0.1047 / 60 or, 1 degree divided by 60 minutes) 0.001745 inch at 6 inches from center of circle.

Knowing what MOA represents allows us to calculate its value to any distance.
Six inches (the radius of the above example) is 1/600th of 100 yards: (100 yards x 36 inches) / 6 inches = 600
Therefore, the value of MOA at 100 yards is 1.047 inches (0.001745 x 600 = 1.047)
At 50 yards 1/2 the 100 yard value; 70% @ 70 yards; twice @ 200 yards; 6 times @ 600 yards; and so on.
So, the difference between thinking in inches as opposed to MOA is 0.47 inch @ 1000 yards.


Note, the above is from my saved info archives and was shamelessly taken from somewhere I no longer can access.




Four (4) clicks of the scope adjustment equals 1.047 inch change @ 100 yards for scopes of 1/4MOA per click.

 

[crracer_712]

Here is another option Log On | TRUGLO, Inc. TRU•BRITE™ OPEN RED•DOT SIGHT
SKU# TG8380B OTD price was $100 and it holds up during run and gun training. Its accurate, durable and is absolute co-witness, no risers needed. For the price even if it did fail I can go out immediately and replace it without breaking the bank. You definitely get your moneys worth and then some.

How about this link? TRU•BRITE™ OPEN RED•DOT SIGHT SKU# TG8380B


Never mind, that sight just doesn't like to link I guess.

 

[2001gmc]

Do any of you have any regular scopes with cross-hairs or mil-dot on your ar's? I have a Leupold 3x9x40 that's new. I may take it off my 30-30 and see how it looks on my AR when I get it. Any suggestions on a tactical cross-hair scope?

 

[2001gmc]

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Osprey Standard 4x32mm Riflescope Duplex Reticle Black - Natchez Shooters Supplies

Anyone ever tired these scopes? They have full lifetime no fault warranty.

 

[MPDC]

Nikon makes the M223 in higher powers than the 1-4 Spot on reticle type (aimed at 3 gun competitors) with their Nikkoplex and also their BDC reticles. They offer a lot of quality for the money and let you use their Spot On software to tailor your scope to almost any loads you might use, including hand loads.

 

[2001gmc]

Nikon makes the M223 in higher powers than the 1-4 Spot on reticle type (aimed at 3 gun competitors) with their Nikkoplex and also their BDC reticles. They offer a lot of quality for the money and let you use their Spot On software to tailor your scope to almost any loads you might use, including hand loads.

You got a link for one of these?