bushmaster1313
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They are as addictive as pre-Model Number Smiths,
And you may never recover your sanity:
And you may never recover your sanity:
Warning: NEVER Buy a Pre-64 Winchester
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Sebago Son
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There is only one cure for the addiction you describe. That is to obsess over Smith & Wesson revolvers. Of course if, as in my case, you live long enough and can keep from starving to death in the process, you may become cross addicted... 
ridewv
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Please educate me. I know Pre 1964 Winchesters are more desirable, but I don't know why?
When I see a post like this, I immediately think of lever guns. I think you have some more buying to do.
29aholic
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Same as older Smith's the pre-64 Win. was still built around offering the customer the highest possible quality product possible. Some say winchester went to Japan in 64 but this not the case. They replaced some of their wore equipment and started using more sheet metal stampings for parts. The Mauser type extractor was dropped for a lesser expensive to produce spring loaded one. I think there are pro's and cons of both designs so I wont get in an argument on the subject. Basically it was a natural progression to higher production at a cheaper price.
Same as older Smith's the pre-64 Win. was still built around offering the customer the highest possible quality product possible. Some say winchester went to Japan in 64 but this not the case. They replaced some of their wore equipment and started using more sheet metal stampings for parts. The Mauser type extractor was dropped for a lesser expensive to produce spring loaded one. I think there are pro's and cons of both designs so I wont get in an argument on the subject. Basically it was a natural progression to higher production at a cheaper price.
ridewv
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Do your homework before buying!! I saw a pre 64 mod 70 at a "big box store" a couple of years ago and asked to see it. Salesman hands it over and it is a 243Win Featherweight. Only trouble is it has the pre war safety! When I politely mentioned to him that it was a parts gun his reply was that now we both know but the next guy that comes through the door probably wont. He would not drop on the price.
They are addictive!
Yes they are. I have a .32-20 lever action Model 1892, and last October, while in Kittery, Maine, I went to the big gun store there. I saw several Winchesters in the rack and spotted a very nice 1892 in .32-20, looked at it, and plopped down my money for it. Only have the two, but it's a start.
I posted this before in another thread, but here goes:
I can't speak for everyone, but here are the reasons I love the old Model 70s:
1. Hand craftsmanship. These rifles were in fact virtually hand made. This was prior to CNC machining and metal injection molding. If the parts didn't fit quite right, a highly trained, skilled and experienced workman mated them until they did, and perfectly. Careful boring, chambering and barrel straightening, all by eye and by hand. The stock was fitted to the barreled action carefully. Such caring hand labor is not available today. Not only would it be prohibitively expensive in labor cost today, but the skill of those workmen died with them.
2. Controlled round feeding. No chance of a double feed on a short stroke. The round slipped up under the massive Mauser-style non-rotating extractor very quickly in the forward stroke. You could load a round into the chamber with the rifle canted or even upside down. This translates into reliability.
3. Detailing. The stock was hand-finished and hand checkered. The bluing was perfect. Good old-fashioned quality control was exercised. The rifle was checked out thoroughly, proofed and test fired for accuracy. No rifle left the factory unless it was perfect.
4. Accuracy. It's a rare Model 70 that will not put all its shots into 1 inch at 100 yards with most factory ammunition. With handloads it will do even better.
5. Accessories. Because it was the de facto standard for bolt action hunting rifles for so many years, scope bases, mounts and other add-ons were and are readily available.
6. That magnificent trigger. It was simplicity itself, easily adjustable by the user, and when locked down, it didn't vary from that point on. Like breaking a thin glass rod when squeezed. This alone contributed mightily to accuracy.
7. The ahead-of-its-time safety lever. It had three positions: Fire, locked but allowing bolt movement, and locked up solid with no bolt movement allowed. It was simple, easily manipulated under a scope, and observable. It's been widely copied on expensive prestige rifles such as the Kimber today.
8. Easy takedown and maintenance. It was as easy to clean as any battle rifle. The bolt could be disassembled without tools in the field. It was rare when a part failed, but if one did, parts were and still are available everywhere.
9. Factory options. If you wanted a deluxe model, you got it. If you wanted it chambered in .458 OMG, you got it. If you wanted it engraved, you got it. Special stock dimensions and configuration? You got it. The factory would lean over backward to please its customers. Some of those old special-manufacture rifles are worth fortunes today.
10. Operability and ergonomics. The action is exceedingly smooth, hand-honed at the factory, and gets smoother with use. The bolt handle knob is positioned right over the trigger for quick grasping on repeat shots. The magazine contents can be dumped quickly with the press of a button to the rear of the magazine. The safety is positioned for quick operation and operates silently. The sights come to the eye easily on mounting the rifle to the shoulder. The stock is hefty enough for a firm grasp, yet slim enough to save weight.
11. Classic lines. The rifle, taken as a whole, with all its combined features and lines, was just plain beautiful. From the sweep of its front sight, the bolstered rear sight, the stock, the matte-finished receiver contrasting with the polished blue barrel, the swept-back bolt handle, right down to the buttplate or recoil pad, the rifle was a looker. It was a Ferrari in a garage full of Ford sedans.
12. Pride of ownership. The Model 70 was known as "The rifleman's rifle" for good reason. There wasn't a gun expert from the 1930s through 1964 that didn't praise this rifle. It was the standard by which all others were judged. Sure, there have been other excellent rifles since. I own two Remington 700s, and I like them fine. But the one sporting centerfire rifle in my rack that I love and will always be able to rely on is my pre-'64 Winchester Model 70.
I hope this helps to explain the mystique of this magnificent rifle.
John
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bushmaster1313
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IMHO pre-64 Winchesters are unique because a used but not abused pre-64 is more desirable than a new gun of similar quality
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I only have two pre 64 Wins:
The 1895 was manufactured in 1915 and is a 30-03
and a:
The Model 94 SRC was manufactured in 1926 in 30-30
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It's to late for me, save yourself!
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bushmaster1313
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What's your point?
Just my pitiful attempt to agree with your original post. My name is wundudnee and I'm addicted.
keith44spl
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Picked this one up from a retired school teacher...He said,
the only time he shot it was to sight it in for a mule deer hunt in '63.
I shoot it purty often,
The Winchester Westerner / Alaskan 300 Win. Mag.
Su Amigo,
Dave
the only time he shot it was to sight it in for a mule deer hunt in '63.
I shoot it purty often,
The Winchester Westerner / Alaskan 300 Win. Mag.
Su Amigo,
Dave
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bushmaster1313
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Dave
Year and caliber?
Year and caliber?
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