What it takes to be secure is beyond was a CCW provides.

[sirrduke2010]

1. There is the feeling I see from some that if I have a CCW and a weapon I am secure.
2. This isn't completely true.
3. Without awareness and practicing avoidance you are still vulnerable to attack.
4. Vulnerable to prosecution for the misuse of a firearm.
5. Vulnerable to prosecution for assault with a deadly weapon.
6. Vulnerable to murder charges by the misuse of a firearm.
7. Vulnerable to be sued for damages suffered by a firearm discharge.
8. Vulnerable to losing your firearm.
9. Vulnerable to being killed by your own firearm.

To be secure involves much more than packing.
1. It involves be awareness of your surroundings.
2. It involves avoiding problems.
3. It involves using techniques like verbal judo to reduce the likelihood of a confrontation.
4. It involves knowing the self defense laws as it pertains to a firearm.
5. It involves trying to avoid a confrontation rather than confronting it.
6. It involves knowing what to do when confronted by the police after a shooting.
7. It involves knowing when to run even if you are packing.
8. It involves not isolating yourself.
9. It involves having a plan of what to do when faced with a possible assailant, whether the shooting will be seen as self defense, knowing what to say when you talk to the police, having self control to know when to stop defending yourself, knowing when to stop shooting so your actions are seen as assault and/or murder, knowing when you can shoot, etc.
10. You may protect your family but how is everybody going to feel if you go to far and end up in prison for years for excessive force and/or murder because you went to far.

People must realize there is no security in defending yourself and going to far. You accomplished the saying: "It is better to be tried by 12 then carried by 6" but your kids may grow up without a father.

Try being secure in the fact that when you do defend yourself that you don't orphan your kids, kill an innocent person, don't kill your children and/or your wife while trying to defend them, avoid a lawsuit, etc. There is no security for you and your family if you can't control your temper and emotions. Part of being secure is knowing that how you respond to a lethal threat in a way that won't put you behind bars, have you arrested, have to fight charges by the DA for murder and going to far.

What kind of security does it offer your kids and wife if their Dad doesn't follow the self defense laws and has to leave them for prison time. Did you really fully protect your family from harm? I don't know about any of you but to having to leave your family because you ignored the laws of self defense shows you partially protected them but you failed to protect them against the loss of a father.

A CCW, owning a firearm, and packing a firearm are only a part of what it takes to protect yourself. Another what if scenario I think not. Being secure also involves protecting your family and children.

 

[bp231986]

Very nice read, but the way i look at it is as simple as this, two things....1) use common sense. 2) if you dint consider all of the above and some... your disrespecting all of us gun owners who do and are very careful of how we go on about our day to make sure we represent gun owners properly so that we dont put the image out there of careless hill billy's that shoot at anything that moves.

 

[seagill]

But what if it's a bear? Man, I miss bear threads!

 

[StatesRightist]

Cliff? Cliff Claven...calling Cliff Claven.

 

[cracker57]

good read, heres my point of self defense. you have two options
#1 you are dead
#2 your attacker or threat is dead.
If in my head and heart I know that by taking a life the only other out come is I am dead. If this is true then let the chips fall where they may. I HAD NO OTHER OPTION BUT TO PULL THE TRIGGER OR DIE!
To me that is self defense in a nut shell.

 

[WC145]

Deep thoughts by sirrduke2010.

I also miss the bears.

 

[jlrhiner]

I think a 10mm is perfect for bears.

 

[venomballistics]

good read .. still nothing in it one wouldnt get from a Nebraska CCW class.
I think bears are over done ... how about mimes ... do you really need a silencer?

 

[BCDWYO]

I think what the OP is saying in a nutshell, that most of us would agree with, is that CCW is a major decision and not one to be taken lightly. One should use maximum common sense and maturity in this decision and in how they conduct themselves when carrying...

 

[venomballistics]

I think what the OP is saying in a nutshell, that most of us would agree with, is that CCW is a major decision and not one to be taken lightly. One should use maximum common sense and maturity in this decision and in how they conduct themselves when carrying...

till you dig through all the past history and determine that the OP has yet to address when its time to shoot. Rather he poses rare, and obscure scenarios where the gun is unnecessary and even a liability ... yup, it can happen ... 0.0002% of the time.
the pattern is so pronounced I have long believed that the OP plays for the anti gun team, but thats my opinion ... back track, read, and form your own.

 

[David LaPell]

A gun is a tool, and not everyone is great with tools. Just because you are handed a paintbrush does not make you Michaelangelo. You can't wander around with blinders on, you need to realize who you share the streets with. I have always said if most people knew who was wandering the streets at any time during the day half of the people would stay home and the rest would want to be armed.

 

[Chuck1217]

". I have always said if most people knew who was wandering the streets at any time during .." I unfortunately do think about who's out there on the streets. I would guess you're a cop or similar job, and it's a good warning- the warnning being stay aware of your surroundings. The fact that so many BGs are out there is partially due to the revolving door on our 'justice system.' It's time we demanded 'justice' include keeping the BGs away from society, from decent human beings. Yes, there's lots to consider when carrying/using a firearm, but as said, common sense is the key. If you don't have it, you shouldn't have the gun. If you have both, then you do as also said before- you make the best decision you can at the moment to defend your family's life, your own, and be prepared for what comes next.

 

[seagill]

good read .. still nothing in it one wouldnt get from a Nebraska CCW class.
I think bears are over done ... how about mimes ... do you really need a silencer?

1. If you shoot a mime and nobody's around, will he make a sound?

2. I wonder if that "invisible box" is bullet proof. Would armor piercing ammo be in order?

 

[StatesRightist]

You guys are missing the additional deep question; what if the bear is a mime? Would the 10mm then do the job, would it be "bearly" enough or too little?

These are the deep questions inquiring minds want to know......

 

[harleyvato]

Put my name in the hat, thanks for the chance at the 10mm bear karma!

 

[venomballistics]

You guys are missing the additional deep question; what if the bear is a mime? Would the 10mm then do the job, would it be "bearly" enough or too little?

These are the deep questions inquiring minds want to know......

a friend of an uncles cousin back in the pre ccw days had administered his 10 1/2 to the hind quarters of a bear .. as the story goes, it ended well ... for the bear

 

[Lost Lake]

Thank God Duke numbered this post of his. That really is a nice touch. It makes it so much more..... Well, Duke-y.

Everyone knows Bears don't mime. Deer, now Deer do the mime thing. Why don't bears mime? I have no idea. But I do know you guys are making more sense than Duke.

Cracker57 you nailed it on the head man.... And you numbered it keeping with the theme of the OP.

1. Take what someone wants to dish out to you, or
2. Defend yourself.

After that it's all nonsense.
You do
what you gotta do
and any doo doo
after you do
what you had to do
is irrelevant.

 

[G.T. Smith]

10mm for bear? Hah!

It kinda sounds like the OP has given this some thought and that is a good thing

As far as the 10mm for bear, I would go with taking along my Son's girlfriend and this...................

Peace,
Gordon

 

[McBear]

Thank God Duke numbered this post of his. That really is a nice touch. It makes it so much more..... Well, Duke-y.

Everyone knows Bears don't mime. Deer, now Deer do the mime thing. Why don't bears mime? I have no idea. But I do know you guys are making more sense than Duke.

Cracker57 you nailed it on the head man.... And you numbered it keeping with the theme of the OP.

1. Take what someone wants to dish out to you, or
2. Defend yourself.

After that it's all nonsense.
You do
what you gotta do
and any doo doo
after you do
what you had to do
is irrelevant.

Miming requires "jazz hands" which requires opposable thumbs, limiting wildlife miming to koalas, opossums, pandas, primates and sorta, kinda raccoons. So no bear claws.

Damn, now I want tasty bear claws. BRB

 

[WC145]

Miming requires "jazz hands" which requires opposable thumbs, limiting wildlife miming to koalas, opossums, pandas, primates and sorta, kinda raccoons. So no bear claws.

Damn, now I want tasty bear claws. BRB

Squirrels have thumbs, too, but never underestimate the ingenuity of a bear. Screw Darwin, opposable thumbs be damned, he's got jazz paws!!!