What would you buy?

[canonman20d]

Im about to order a Nikon P22 BDC Scope for my M&P 15 .22 I want to be able to still use my iron sights so I want a see - through riser. From my measuring it looks like Im going to need a riser that is 1.5" - 2" tall. What are your thoughts on all this and the best place to get the riser.

 

[TYSTYX]

I don't think they make risers taller than 1 inch. Your best bet would be to get some flip up sights and a quick disconnect picatinny riser so you can remove the scope and use the sights.

 

[atvdave]

The only thing I can think of, would be to purchase 2 flip to the side scope mounts. However that would be very expensive.

 

[TYSTYX]

The only thing I can think of, would be to purchase 2 flip to the side scope mounts. However that would be very expensive.

I wouldn't use flip-to-side mounts on a scope. Those are better used for a red dot Magnifier.

 

[canonman20d]

Im new to the AR type gun and there maybe a good reason but why do they not make see-through risers no taller than 1" ?

 

[FlamingCeasar]

I would mount the sights on a pair of 45degree rail adapters.

AR-15 45 Degree Offset Rail Mount Weaver Style NcSTAR Mount Length 1.77" Black Aluminum

 

[don5]

I would also put the iron sites on a 45 degree mount. I originally tried the Prostaff on a 1 inch riser. I could not use the sights even tho the riser was a see thru mount. The 40 mm end blocked the front site. Now since the P22 scope is a 32 mm, maybe it will work. Personally , I used a riser but I eventually went with the P223 or M223 base. It is rock solid and the rings are really thick. These rings eliminate the two ring base bolts you will have if you use the riser. The more bolts it takes to hold the scope on, the more of a chance something might come loose after using for awhile.

 

[richeyo2]

Another vote for the 45offset irons. That's how I have one of AR-15's set-up. DD offset mounts w/Troy sights. Took a minute to get use to using them but now I love 'em.

 

[jajo]

I tried the see thru mounts on my 10/22 and eventually went with QD mounts instead. Always returns to zero when installed.

My 15-22 has a P22 on a Nikon M223 mount. But it's a zoom scope and works well from 25 feet to 100 yards.


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[Gopher Slayer]

Im new to the AR type gun and there maybe a good reason but why do they not make see-through risers no taller than 1" ?

The AR15 platform has the stock inline with the barrel instead of dropped down like most other rifles. Meaning the sights already sit higher.

See through scope mounts would require you to mount the scope higher than needed to keep a proper cheek weld and get the best use and adjustment out of your sighting systems (keeping them as close to the bore as possible).



I use folding sights and QD mounts.

 

[canonman20d]

The AR15 platform has the stock inline with the barrel instead of dropped down like most other rifles. Meaning the sights already sit higher.

See through scope mounts would require you to mount the scope higher than needed to keep a proper cheek weld and get the best use and adjustment out of your sighting systems (keeping them as close to the bore as possible).



I use folding sights and QD mounts.

I would have to agree with that 100%. The thought had crossed my mind just needed someone to confirm it. Ty sir.

 

[Sid Nitzerglobin]

I have that same scope sharing time w/ a Lucid HD7 on my 15-22 and wound having to go w/ Weaver Extra High rings (I believe they're 1" tall) mounted on one of their QD risers (which I think is either 1/4-3/8") just to clear the rear MBUS at proper eye relief.

My vote's w/ some kind of QD mount for the P-22 and folding backup iron sights as well. At some point I'm planning to add a 45 deg offset mount for a PA Microdot or Burris Fast Fire III to my riser plate for reactive/short range shooting and quick detachment of the whole system when I want/need to swap to the dedicated holosight or irons.

It seems like the offset iron sights would be pretty difficult to use to me, but I've got no actual experience w/ that kind of set up so that's pure speculation.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

If you are intent on being able to use irons and a magnified optic without having to mount and dismount the optic, there are a couple ways to do it. This setup would work with the scope you're thinking about buying. However, it will be very high even with low rings.



This integrated design allows for the lowest mounting position with very little cheek weld shift from irons to optic. This is what I would recommend.



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[canonman20d]

I like your thinking Phil. This is definatly food for thought. Fixing to look at menu prices and see what I can do. :>)

 

[canonman20d]

I like your thinking Phil. This is definatly food for thought. Fixing to look at menu prices and see what I can do. :>) One more question. Is that a Great Dane pup in your profile picture?

 

[photoracer]

One issue is that using the sights thru a scope that does not go down to 1x makes them distorted and not easy to use. Co-witness works thru a 1x red dot and a 1-4x scope set to 1x fine. Not much else through. Offset irons works better. While a good shooter can hit targets out pretty far with irons they still can't match a setup with a 1-4x or 1-6x with a BDC reticle. Even a red dot + magnifier works better although most serious shooters are going away from the magnifier setup due to the improvements in the new low power tactical scopes.