What's a MIM?

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I know it is a different newer manufacturing method for some parts but that's it. I tried a search and it came back with no matches.... strange as I just got done reading about MIM vs. forged. On some of my guitar forums MIM = Made in Mexico, but I doubt that's the meaning here.
 
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Hey Lester,
Thanks for fielding that question with the more learned S&W population Sir. My experience is with the 1911 series of 45 acp's. Just recently becoming re-interested in the Smith's and had noted that MIM comment on some Gunbroker auctions. Now I know... thanks much!
 
MIM has been around since the 70's but only recent advances in the technology have made it cost effective for general use in the firearms industry. MIM is used in the aerospace industry, automotive industry, medical industry and anywhere complicated metal parts have to be made in volume. Strength wise, MIM parts usually exceed traditional heat treated machined parts in strength. I'm not sure why there is a reluctance to accept the use of MIM for gun parts other than it's something relatively new to the firearms industry. The only fault I can see is that the case coloring is not as good as traditional machined parts. I would not worry about MIM parts holding up on a new gun. MIM is here to stay, like it or not. In fact, you would be hard pressed to find a new gun from any manufacturer that does not contain MIM parts.
 
Heck yes, some of the ones that cry about it has rod's in thier car engines build with MIM parts. You know a engine in a double A fueler has 6000 hp, can go from 0 to over 300 mph in 5 secs. with MIM rods isn't doing to bad being pulled back into thier seat with 4 to 6 G's. Plus you know something else - only way to turn that motor off is to cut the fuel off. The plugs are burned up in the first 3 sec's of the run. Mim is stronger than forged.
 
A fancy term for CAST metal, which, no matter what anyone says, cannot possibly be as strong as forged metal, as was used in S&W's hammers & triggers prior to about 1997.

It is not really cast metal. Casting is filling a mold with liquid metal MIM is a powder metallurgy process involving the sintering if solid metal in powdered form. The powder is brought to a high temperature (but below melting) under high pressure. There is atomic motion driven largely by surface tension that results in a solid with relatively little or no space between the original powder spheres.
 
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Wow great info. So I'm not too woried about the quality of my MIM parts. However does anyone know if MIM parts will wear in like forged? Just wondering if I can expect the trigger to smooth out even more after use?
 
I've had a number of gun smiths, who's work and opinion I trust, tell me that the surface hardening on MIM parts is quite thin and if in "doing a trigger job" they go below that surface hardening then the underlying material is quite soft, relative to the harder surface.

Dave
 
I've had a number of gun smiths, who's work and opinion I trust, tell me that the surface hardening on MIM parts is quite thin and if in "doing a trigger job" they go below that surface hardening then the underlying material is quite soft, relative to the harder surface.

Dave

This seems to contradict what Bullseye Smith is saying.
 
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My experience is with the 1911 series of 45 acp's.
Then I think we can safely assume you've heard of Wilson Combat. They put the old forged parts in customer guns because that is what's expected, hand fit custom parts. Some of their smiths that shoot however, have stated they have no problem with MIM parts in their guns that they compete with.

Just a little something to think about.

Bob
 
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No one has addressed this in this thread so I will. They are not really cast parts. MIM stands for Metallic Injection Molded. The powdered metal is mixed with a polymer to create a "slurry" that is then injection molded at fairly low temperatures. The part comes out of the mold 20% oversize. They are then heat treated, and this high heat removes the polymer and reduces the size of the part to what it is supposed to be. The result is extremely consistant parts; one to the other. Much more so than the forged parts. This allows the guns to be assembled with much less labor and less handwork and makes them more consistant gun to gun. along with the computer machining of the frames, this allows more consistant distances between the frame pins that hold the parts in the action of the revolver, and along with the more consistant hammers and triggers, they come closer to dropping in with little or no fitting.

The above is per S&W.

They started with MIM parts in the auto pistols, and one of the first parts was the disconnector in the 9mm series. They were originally a stamped part with a seperate cross pin pressed in. Then they went to an all plastic disconnector. neither of these were really satisfactory, and the MIM part solved the problems. Another early MIM part in the auto pistols was the trigger bar. The original forged ones were the ones that used to break. They went to MIM on the draw bars and were able to put radiused corners on the inside where the draw bar goes around the magazine, (the sharp corners was where they used to break) and this fixed the draw bar breaking. Most people did not even know they had MIM parts in their guns, and it did not really come to light until they did the revolver hammers and triggers and since they were so obvious, it was out.

The MIM process allows such precision, that S&W tried doing a J frame 38 with the barrel and frame in one piece, and they could even have it come out of the heat treat with the rifling in place! Imagine one solid piece with no screw in barrel. The problem was, with a large and long part like that, they tended to warp in the heat treat process, and as they were not able to get past that, they dropped the idea and have kept it to smaller parts.

The MIM parts are a little different than the forged parts so they could be molded. The triggers no longer require the cross pins the forged ones had to have to hold the hand spring and all of this saves labor and keeps costs down. In my opinion, the MIM parts are just as good as the forged ones. The forged parts were prettier. Also, I see no sign of case hardening on the MIM parts. They are case colored but I believe them to be equally hard all the way through.................

Louie
 
The MIM parts are heat treated just like the forged parts. I do not know how deep the heat treating goes on the MIM part but the surface hardness is higher than the inside hardness. This is just my opinion and I'm sure that some of the purists here will disagree with me but I think that the MIM revolvers have a smoother trigger out of the box than the traditional forged guns. Now they just have to get the colors to look like a prewar registered magnum and MIM will be perfect!
 
....and how about that plastic/nylon disconnector that Louie mentioned? I think that the engineer who thought of that bright idea went on to work on the Big Dig!!
 
No one has addressed this in this thread so I will. They are not really cast parts. MIM stands for Metallic Injection Molded. The powdered metal is mixed with a polymer to create a "slurry" that is then injection molded at fairly low temperatures. The part comes out of the mold 20% oversize. They are then heat treated, and this high heat removes the polymer and reduces the size of the part to what it is supposed to be. The result is extremely consistant parts; one to the other. Much more so than the forged parts.

The above is per S&W.

Louie

I rest my case, just take a junker forged hammer and cut it in half, and look at it real close and you can see on the edges the case harding. Then take a center punch and try the out side - then the inside :D . Cut your MIM to bob the hammer and cut it and try the punch test, same on any part.
 
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