When did prewar.44HE ejector rod change?

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Looking at two .44HE 2nd models today. When did S&W change the ejector rod knob?
Shown are .44HE 2nd models shipped in 1925 (above), and 1937 (below).
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Just remember, the rod change was a production change, not a sales date change. Some guns were built at the factory but then languished for a long time. Its why guns like the 32-20 have the mushroom end but shipped in 1940.

When you talk specifically about the 44 2nd, we don't know when the gun was produced. Only sort of when it shipped. Only recently discovered the 2nd models were being built, serialized and shipped right up to WWII. In short, you can get an idea of production period by looking at the rod. If you want an exact date, the only way to get it is from a factory letter. So for a rough guide, we just say 1920s are mushroom head, 1930s are the barrel shape. It gets messy for production around 1930, plus or minus.
 
Does the change to the smaller ejector rod knob correspond to the switch to the flat top sights found on post 1926 models for the 44 hand ejectors?

I know the Brazilian contract 1917s have flat top sights and the larger ejector rods, but I personally have not seen a 2nd model 44 that has the smaller ejector rod that doesn't also have the flat top sights or a one that has the larger ejector rod that has doesn't also have the rounded sights.

Does anyone have a 2nd Model 44 that doesn't fit that mold?
 
Looking at two .44HE 2nd models today. When did S&W change the ejector rod knob?
Shown are .44HE 2nd models shipped in 1925 (above), and 1937 (below).
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Good questions Tom and Rio,

The order to replace 'mushroom' extractor knob, with the ‘Barrel’ style (single milling cut under barrel), on all HE non-shrouded barrel models, was dated 1/22/27. All models with a barrel shroud always had the barrel style knob from they’re introduction which were only on N frames in the pre war period.

However, as we well know, changes like this did not immediately begin on the order date. Old and new parts are used simultaneously during a transition period that has been shown to last from months to years. The knob transition is more controlled by the fact that barrels with the two level milling cut for the 'mushroom'/'acorn' style knob, or single level milling cut for the 'barrel' style knob must of course, match the knob. Therefore it is my observation that the knob/barrel combination change had a speedier transition.

Therefore this feature change is a greater indication of the guns production date than of its shipping date.

Also recognizing that the "Black Thursday", Oct. 24, 1929, stock market crash was within 2 years of the change date which further exacerbated and delayed timely shipping of guns from this period.

The knob change does not correspond with the flat top strap/improved rear sight notch, however it's close. That top strap change order date is not known, but cumulative observation and collective wisdom is that the flat top strap with Sq notch rear sight revision came to the N-frame model in the 1926/1927 time frame.

This is another confusing feature because, although seen on most 1937 Brazilian 45s, most 1946 contract Brazilian 45s exhibit the rounded top strap. Due of course to the use of much earlier produced 1917 frames in 1946, and the use of these surplus 1917 frames on other models such as 44 N frames. The point is, a frame's top strap configuration is not a good predictor of the gun's production period.

So back to the knob change and the 'why' of it. Obviously the front larger surface of the mushroom knob is more comfortable on the finger, and more ergonomic. But as most changes go, it's a production short cut or simplification. IMHO, since the one piece rod with barrel style knob was already being made for all shrouded extractor rods after the separate Triple Lock knob was discontinued, therefore it was a simplification to use barrel knobs on all models, with or w/o shrouds. And on barrels w/o shrouds the two level milling cut was reduced to the single level, less time and less cost.

After the war of course we see no knobs and no milling cuts needed, they just knurled the end of the rod, then they dropped screws one by one, etc., etc., etc. The price stays lower for customers and S&W stays in business and keeps up with the competition.

I can't even imagine what a TL would cost if built today with its original features and production methods...$5000? I guess I don't feel so bad these days paying what TLs go for!
 
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Good questions Tom and Rio,

The order to replace 'mushroom' extractor knob, with the ‘Barrel’ style (single milling cut under barrel), on all HE non-shrouded barrel models, was dated 1/22/27. All models with a barrel shroud always had the barrel style knob from they’re introduction which were only on N frames in the pre war period.

The knob change does not correspond with the flat top strap/improved rear sight notch, however it's close. That top strap change order date is not known, but cumulative observation and collective wisdom is that the flat top strap with Sq notch rear sight revision came to the N-frame model in the 1926/1927 time frame.

This is another confusing feature because, although seen on most 1937 Brazilian 45s, most 1946 contract Brazilian 45s exhibit the rounded top strap. Due of course to the use of much earlier produced 1917 frames in 1946, and the use of these surplus 1917 frames on other models such as 44 N frames. The point is, a frame's top strap configuration is not a good predictor of the gun's production period.

After the war of course we see no knobs and no milling cuts needed, they just knurled the end of the rod, then they dropped screws one by one, etc., etc., etc. The price stays lower for customers and S&W stays in business and keeps up with the competition.

Except for the transitionals using up pre war parts. I just bought an early post war 38/44 cylinder assembly specifically for the barrel ejector rod which will go into a pre-29 cylinder.

As for the top strap change, the first two orders of 44 3rd's to W&K had round tops. Not sure about after that when they switched over.
 
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Except for the transitionals using up pre war parts. I just bought an early post war 38/44 cylinder assembly specifically for the barrel ejector rod which will go into a pre-29 cylinder.

As for the top strap change, the first two orders of 44 3rd's to W&K had round tops. Not sure about after that when they switched over.

That's correct. there's almost always exceptions with S&W.

Some Post War Transitional Models in all frame sizes, I, K and N, are found with barrel extractor knobs Prior to their Pre Model introductions. The beauty for K and N frames is, they are still right hand thread suitabvle for use on pre war models.

But the I frame barrel knobs can have right or left hand threads, but by about 1950 and earlier, barrel knobs were gone and all I frame straight rods were already converted to left hand thread.
 
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