Where do you get advice?

ripvanwinkle

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A recent thread by BB57 brought up this topic. He cautioned. I totally agree. When I decided to start carrying every day, going for my license, ect, I looked at every forum and YouTube, listened to everyone that voiced an opinion whether it was weapon of choice, shooting style or everything in between. A lot of advice out there. Most I took with a 'grain of salt'. I joined several forums. And left. I have plopped down in this forum and Sig Talk. I have also chosen to follow Jerry Miculek for revolvers and Robert Vogel for pistols. How has your journey gone?
 
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I don't typically go looking for advice (I hate threads that start off "Tell me what I should do about...), but I do look for reference material whenever making a major purchase. One of the best things about the web is ability to do research from your easy chair. After you discount fan boys and people with axes to grind, it's pretty easy to find real, usable information on just about anything. I quite frequently use Amazon reviews, again using the above criteria of weeding out the meaningless reviews, and so far, it's worked well for me. Of course Amazon doesn't have firearms, so you need to do more digging into various forums. Be careful of forums like this one when looking for valid information. That's not a slam against this forum or it's members, but any specific forum like this will have a large fan boy base - they all do. Still, places like this remain a great source on specific questions. In other words, don't come here and ask "Should I buy a S&W?", instead ask things like "I'm looking at a Model XX, is there anything I should be aware of?". Just like every forum of this nature has their fans, they almost always have their share of straight up folks who will tell you things as they are - if you ask the right questions. :)
 
As far as using the Net for a source of information, sounds like you took the right approach by reading a bunch and taking things with a grain of salt. You likely found a trend with certain topics and combined with your own common sense found answers that well applied.

The two most important things regarding carry for newbies aren't complicated nor require expert skills.

Keep the gun properly holstered and on your person. That'll prevent about 99.99% of screw-ups. There are a zillion other considerations but if newbies follow those two disciplines without exception they'll be well on their way to a lifetime of grief-free carry.
 
Pastor, personal prayer, licensed experts in their fields, trusted friends opinions.
As far as guns go I get advice from micrometers and pin gauges.
 
I went through numerous ccw guns from 357 mag revolvers in the beginning to 1911/45acp I mainly ccw RedHawks in 44 mag 24/7 day and night for many decades. Now I'm at the " inbetweens" it's a cz82/9mm mak. I do switch back to the 44 mag often.

I go my own path or trail. We all carried magnums mainly were I worked. Back in the mid 70's we didn't have so many choices as we do now like steel or plastic? A 9mm, a 40cal, a 45acp or 10mm for you auto guys. Revolvers keep it simple a magnum will do.
 
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I went from what I was issued, to what I was issued, to what I was issued, and lastly, to what I was issued. The guns I chose on my own each had a separate appeal. I also bought compact models of the issue guns. To this day, 40 years later, I still rely on the same operating systems. So, in my case, the original decision was never up to me.
 
Take a class from a reputable instructor. If he or she is any good, most of your questions will be answered.

Many of the decisions you will need to make will be yours alone based on personal preference.

Eventually you will end up with a choice of several carry guns, a box full of holsters, and a shelf full of ammo in several different calibers. :eek:

But don't worry, there's nothing abnormal about it. ;)

Heed the words of those more experienced. Many here can help. And while there is no substitute for hands on training, videos and well written magazine articles can help.

Seek the wisdom of people like Masaad Ayoob, Clint Smith, John Farnam, Jeff Cooper, Dave Spaulding, Tom Givens and more.

Don't be in a rush.
 
Multiple sources, and thinking about what you read. Nobody is perfect, but IMO the single best starting point is Massad Ayoob. He's from the northeast, but New Hampshire isn't exactly Massachusetts. Yet.
 
The Yankee government and my father taught me everything I need to know. After 30 years of learning from the gov't, and a lifetime of learning from my father, I'm pretty set in my ways. I still take time to read and watch video, and there's always a little something to be learned from everybody, although lots of times for me, it's what not to do. Others have different experiences . . .
 
Some of the members here are former military and law enforcement. I carry for my own reasons, I have basic beliefs about carrying. I believe in training, training on a regular basis. You have gotten a good start on looking for information.
 
You know what they say...there's no vice like advice!! Here is the absolute best advice I have ever received and I am going to pass it on for free...if you have a wife just keep saying "Yeah". That's it. Simple but effective. Probably saved the men that follow it untold millions of dollars each year!!!!
 
Books.

Magazine articles are, frankly, entertainment (although there are some real nuggets). When you subscribe to one, you're not making a commitment to any single article, but rather that the whole body of work is going to be more or less enjoyable.

But a book is a different story. First, you've got to convince a publisher that the things you think are worth investing money into. Then you have to convince a whole lot of people that those things are worth $10 or $20 to read.

Forums are ****. But they're useful for having discussions -- taking some intellectual sandpaper to the things you've read. Arguments aren't about proving who's right, but rather seeing if you can articulate your body of knowledge.

RL contacts are hit-or-miss. Plenty of people play dress-up just as poorly as they do online. Gotta get some specific qualifications going. When somebody says, "I was a cop"--where? When? For how long? Three years as a small-town constable in the 90s is a hell of a lot different then being a street cop in a big city from 1965-1980. One guy was responsible for cuffing the town drunk from time to time. The other guy fought the Panthers.
 
As far as using the Net for a source of information, sounds like you took the right approach by reading a bunch and taking things with a grain of salt. You likely found a trend with certain topics and combined with your own common sense found answers that well applied.

The two most important things regarding carry for newbies aren't complicated nor require expert skills.

Keep the gun properly holstered and on your person. That'll prevent about 99.99% of screw-ups. There are a zillion other considerations but if newbies follow those two disciplines without exception they'll be well on their way to a lifetime of grief-free carry.

The emphasis has to be on the "common sense" part of this statement. Otherwise it's way too easy to get carried away by popular trends. Just because something is popular doesn't make it a good idea.

You need to always ask why someone does something, what the advantages are of that approach over another, and what their specific needs are and then ask yourself whether those needs align well with yours.

The pitfall too many concealed carry permit holders fall into is thinking that they should carry like they were an LEO. Two common examples of LEO practices that may not transfer well to concealed carry are tactical lights and carrying a total of three high capacity magazines.

Lights makes sense for LEOs as they go into dark and spooky places looking for bad guys. In contrast an armed citizen should probably be avoiding those same dark places if they suspect a bad guy is lurking there. That's just common sense.

Similarly, about 95% of all self defense shoots (officer involved or otherwise) are over and done with less than 5 rounds fired at less than 5 yards in less than 5 seconds. The FBI looked at 12 years of agent involved shoots and found 75% involved 3 rounds or less at 3 yards or less. No reloads, no extra magazines needed - and frankly no need for a high capacity magazine at all.

Occurrences of multiple assailant armed citizen shoots where more than 5 rounds might be needed are even less common. If you want to carry a 15 round semi-auto, knock yourself out, same with carrying 2 spare magazines - just be aware the odds of you ever needing it in an armed citizen self defense shoot are very, very low and the price you'll have to pay is a much heavier and much bulkier and harder to conceal EDC.

That matters as the more you carry the more you'll eventually start leaving on the dresser as comfort all day long is the primary requirement for carrying your firearm from the time you get up until the time you turn in and place in on the night stand. If you carry to much ****, sooner or later you'll leave it home when you run down to the local stab and grab at midnight to get your nagging pregnant wife a pint of Ben and Jerry's, or have it in a drawer somewhere in another room when a bad guy kicks in the front door while you're watching TV.

Your shooting practice should also be focused on the things that matter. That means less focus on tactical reloads (although every time you load your pistol or revolver you might as well take the opportunity to make it a tactical re-load) and more focus on the basics like drawing from concealment, and shooting accurately and rapidly (at the same time - the two are not mutually exclusive).

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I totally agree with the "properly holstered" comment. Get a good holster that fully protects the trigger and will allow you to re-holster the weapon safely.

What that requires depends on the pistol or revolver you are carrying, but at a minimum it needs a stiff mouth that will hold the holster open and not roll over the enter the trigger guard. If you're shooting a striker fired pistol with no manual safety, you will be best served with a holster with a belt clip that allows easy removal of the holster to re-holster the pistol while it's out in front of you where you can visually confirm there are no obstructions in the trigger guard (including your finger if you are under stress). The same approach makes sense even with a DA pistol or DA revolver.

DA pistols and revolvers with exposed hammers offer another level of safety in terms of tactile feedback if the hammer is obstructed as you'll feel the hammer coming back if the trigger is obstructed, provided you put your thumb over the hammer when holstering it.

Seek the wisdom of people like Masaad Ayoob, Clint Smith, John Farnam, Jeff Cooper, Dave Spaulding, Tom Givens and more.

Don't be in a rush.

I agree to a point. You still have to apply some common sense and look at the extent to which their needs and priorities actually match yours.

I like 90% of what Ayoob says, while the rest I take with a grain of salt. For example, he is exactly right about his preference for the Stress Fire reload, particularly if you are carrying a snub nose revolver with a short ejector rod, and you're shooting a full power .357 mag load where the cases want to stick in the chambers. But if not, the FBI re-load is faster, so you still need to consider what may meet your needs most effectively.

I don't agree with his advice not to use reloads for self defense. He cites an example where re-loads caused problems for a defendant, but it was in fact reloads in general, after the defendant's spouse shot herself with a light target load, and the forensics folks testing a full power self defense load they confiscated from the home determined the lack of powder stippling on the body meant the range must have been too great for a self inflicted wound. The issue here is not the use of hand loads, it's the uncertainty about what load was in the gun and an inability to get the forensics to match the defendant's statement.

The common sense take away from this is to keep your self defense ammo separate, and clearly mark your self defense loads as such. Keep that one box you've loaded from separate and always ensure you've got enough left in the box to provide a sample for forensic analysis. The advantage of factory ammo is the presence of data bases to help identify the round used when the shooter isn't known, and to confirm the ballistic evidence matched the statements when the shooter is know. The first doesn't apply in a self defense shoot, and the second doesn't matter if you've segregated your self defense ammo and have enough for a proper analysis.
 
Google, you tube and the lounge here.

Actually in all seriousness, deciding to carry for personal protection is a huge responsibility and not one to be taken lightly. This is not the old west and there are typically no winners in a gun fight. Before you strap on your favorite revolver or semi auto, you MUST come to grips with the fact that if you do use your gun in a situation, you may kill someone. This may sound simple but even law enforcement officers with years of training have issues after taking a life, even if it was absolutely necessary to save self or others.

It is easy to think and talk about but totally different to live with.

Secondly, if you do choose to carry, no one should ever know. I have a friend that carries most days and at every get together, out comes the gun and he feels the need to show it to everyone. This is an accident waiting to happen.

So should you decide to carry, choose a gun that you are very familiar with and very comfortable with. Go to the range and practice (unloaded) drawing your weapon and holstering your weapon. Practice makes perfect. You really would not want your first attempt at drawing to be a life and death situation.

Good luck and hopefully you will never need to use it. :cool:
 

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