Why do they need so much ammo?

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"...designed for the office of Field Operations of Customs and Border Protection."

Maybe they're finally getting serious about border control.
 
Just did some math and and as there are some 20,000 Customs and Border Protection LEO's shooting 200 rounds per year (very reasonable) that's 4M rounds just for their quals.

Add the ongoing recruit training at FLETC where they shoot a whole lotta rounds plus the other Homeland Security folks and 200M seems realistic to me.

'Course, reckon some folks are donning their aluminum lids even as we speak.

Be safe.

PS:

Would not be surprised, seriously, if that's the total for the entire Federal civilian LEO component. Used to be Treasury contracted for the entire LEO component of all Departments as a cost saving measure.
 
Homeland security employs @ 250,000 people total.

If a minimum of 10,000 of them (about 200 per state) roughly are issued a .40 Berretta each...That would allot each person with one 20,000 rounds each, which averages to 4000 rounds a year.

How many rounds does each agent need to practice, qualify and keep? Sound about right for government work. I don't like it, but sounds about right. I'd think and hope that they might someday sell some out as "scrap," cheap. :D

I bet they didn't pay $20.00 a box. :mad:
 
Easy folks, I work for them, and IIRC the article states it was a muliple year contract for ICE, like 5 years or something. We qualify 3 times a year, and with all the shooting at FLETC, it does add up to lots 'o ammo.

BTW, we're issued H & K's now, no more Berettas.

Take care...
 
bobcat said:
Easy folks, I work for them, and IIRC the article states it was a muliple year contract for ICE, like 5 years or something. We qualify 3 times a year, and with all the shooting at FLETC, it does add up to lots 'o ammo.

BTW, we're issued H & K's now, no more Berettas.

Take care...
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hi I am your long lost relitive send ammo soon! jk
 
After shooting for years and not seeing any shortages, wars or not, I've come to the sneaky suspicion that the government is approaching ammunition companies the same way they approach rogue state dictators that we need to back off of some policy that is against our nation's interests.

In return, the dictators get millions of hush money under the table to change their policies. N. Korea comes to mind, as do others in the past.


AS HOW IT RELATES TO OUR AMMUNITION SUPPLIERS . . .

I'm beginning to realize that these ammunition companies now may be approached the same way . . . with lots of money "under the table" to slow DOWN, and eventually dry up the supply of ammo it offers civilian markets.

I believe the antis in power have finally realized that going after guns is political suicide . . . but an under the table "war" against gun enthusiasts getting ammunition, and shutting it down with plenty of under the table "green" . . . and blaming it on needing it for the "war" has become a really lame . . . and totally unbelievable excuse.

You guys know me. I'm no squinty-eyed nut, just a peaceful old firearms and shooting sports enthusiast, and I'm not trying to stir things up BUT . . .

WAKE UP and LOOK AROUND . . .

DO ANY OF YOU OTHER "OLD FARTS" notice the same thing about this prolonged "shortage" due to the "war effort?" It doesn't make sense.


A few more years of shortages and skyrocketing prices will probably shut down competitive handgun sports due to lack of reliable and affordable practice ammo . . . INCLUDING the staples of our sport . . . PRIMERS and gunpowder.

What sez you all?

T.
 
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It seems the Fed's are banning the use of non-green ammo for qualifications, so the order might be for the worthless stuff.
 
Hmm, let's see now. How many rounds were fired at the Branch Davidians and at Ruby Ridge? Now divide 200 million by that. Maybe Obama and Holder are stocking up, just in case. ;)
 
That is how the feds write contracts. It means that this is the "maximum" amount that can be purchased under the contract over 5 years - IF they get the money appropriated by congress. It doesn't mean that they will buy it all.

Homeland security employes a lot of gun-toters not just the Border Patrol. New employees do a lot of shooting during the academy.
 
I've read tales of several here serving (or retired I should say) in the armed forces going out and disposing of surplus ammunition by burying or shooting it up until they were tired of shooting.

They'll buy it...five years later what ain't shot up, they'll dump somewhere or sell off as scrap after dismantling it.

Tax dollars at work. :rolleyes:
 
tom turner said:
After shooting for years and not seeing any shortages, wars or not, I've come to the sneaky suspicion that the government is approaching ammunition companies the same way they approach rogue state dictators that we need to back off of some policy that is against our nation's interests.

In return, the dictators get millions of hush money under the table to change their policies. N. Korea comes to mind, as do others in the past.


AS HOW IT RELATES TO OUR AMMUNITION SUPPLIERS . . .

I'm beginning to realize that these ammunition companies now may be approached the same way . . . with lots of money "under the table" to slow DOWN, and eventually dry up the supply of ammo it offers civilian markets.

I believe the antis in power have finally realized that going after guns is political suicide . . . but an under the table "war" against gun enthusiasts getting ammunition, and shutting it down with plenty of under the table "green" . . . and blaming it on needing it for the "war" has become a really lame . . . and totally unbelievable excuse.

You guys know me. I'm no squinty-eyed nut, just a peaceful old firearms and shooting sports enthusiast, and I'm not trying to stir things up BUT . . .

WAKE UP and LOOK AROUND . . .

DO ANY OF YOU OTHER "OLD FARTS" notice the same thing about this prolonged "shortage" due to the "war effort?" It doesn't make sense.


A few more years of shortages and skyrocketing prices will probably shut down competitive handgun sports due to lack of reliable and affordable practice ammo . . . INCLUDING the staples of our sport . . . PRIMERS and gunpowder.

What sez you all?

T.
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NOPE!
The place I work for can get way more work than we can take to make the brass for both Military and Civilian use. We are at capacity and after the 1st of the year we will be running 24/7 seven days a week.
The Chinese haven't helped with buying up more brass and copper than they can use and driving prices up either!
 
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