Why No Gasoline In NJ? - Does Not Make Sense

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There is a real problem getting gasoline in NJ.
It does not make sense.
The gas station nearest my house has power but is not pumping.
If they cannot get gasoline from the terminal in Elizabeth, why can't they get it from Pennsylvania, where there is no shortage.

Something is causing the shortage.
 
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I was at a pet store yesterday and the owner was complaining he could not get any fish or supplies. I'm thinking roads are not drivable or places have damage....or it the oil companies excuse to raise the gas nationwide.
 
Did they lift the low emissions requirement on it like they did in NY? If not, there's your answer.
 
There is a law in NJ against price gauging during a disaster. A retailer cannot raise the price more then 10%. If they do its a $10,000/a day fine

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Arik said:
There is a law in NJ against price gauging during a disaster. A retailer cannot raise the price more then 10%. If they do its a $10,000/a day fine

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It would seem to be the wholesaler that's doing the gouging.
*They* should amend it to be a $10k per sale fine :eek: no matter who is doing the gouging.
 
Arik said:
There is a law in NJ against price gauging during a disaster. A retailer cannot raise the price more then 10%. If they do its a $10,000/a day fine
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Supply and Demand

Free Market

Capitalism

I thought everyone was in favor of this?? :eek:
 
nipster said:
Supply and Demand

Free Market

Capitalism

I thought everyone was in favor of this?? :eek:
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It's like so many opinions that are held as long as the issue is in the abstract. When it becomes real, and directly affects them, opinions can change like the weather in New England. Free Markets are an example, including supply and demand.
 
Arik said:
There is a law in NJ against price gauging during a disaster. A retailer cannot raise the price more then 10%. If they do its a $10,000/a day fine

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Yeah, well there's laws against spitting on the sidewalk and speeding but most everyone does it.
 
Several problems getting fuel. Flooded trucking and towing companies. Power lines down. Can't get customers on the phone to confirm if delivery is possible. Thurs tried to deliver a frozen grocery load to East Rutherford Nj.Tractor broke down 3 miles from cust.Took six hrs to be towed to ryder ,who was without power .They were repairing trucks with flashlights .Got a loaner delivered the load and was out of legal hrs to work. The load could not be delivred tue when it was ordered due to power lines down We attempted to deliver tue and wen even though we could not communicate with them.Good thing they where on generator when I got there so they could accept the load
 
Could be that the tanks are contaminated or the refineries have limited production from the storm.
 
Gas prices are going down around here. I'm not saying that to poke you in the eye, but just saying that it has had the opposite effect than I expected...I fully expected the prices to go through the roof. I guess that's why I'm not a professional medium (I tend more to XL, actually. :o )
 
Probably the most basic answer as to why they can't simply get gas from another supplier is, contracts. They probably have a contract with their supplier that may or may not be an exclusive contract. Even if it isn't, they may not have contacts with another company to get an emergency shipment, other suppliers may want a long-term contract and aren't willing to do just a few short-term shipments, or it may take some time to work out the agreement. Just my own musings on it though, I have no inside knowledge of the industry.
 
Our local utilities CEO was interviewed this week and said he would not be sending help to New Jersey because his offer was turned down because it would offend the union.
 
I work in trucking .I dont deliver fuel but every thing else. I thought I explained the problem in my earlier post .There is no great mystery. Trucking companies were flooded, tow companies were flooded .Communication disrupted roads out .Drivers unavailable ,due to delivireys taking much longer than normal.Corporate headquarters will place an order without even knowing if it can be delivered.They contracts we have ,say we have to attempt delivery, even if we cant contact the outlet where the order is going. Ties up a lot of equipment and men accomplishing nothing. The fuel cos have similar contracts with their transportation people
 
As of late morning today in my region, every gas station I went past that was open (most were) were pumping on their own power. Lines, if there were any, were maybe 10-12 cars long.

I'm sure 60 miles to the east it is another story though.

LTC
 
To repeat what I said in another thread:

The reasons for no gas are probably:

1) A lot of folk did top up when they knew the storm was coming and generator owners laid in extra supplies. That reduced the amount at the gas stations before the storm hit.

2) Knowing the storm was coming, some of the refineries were idled and deliveries cut back leaving many stations really short from point 1.

3) Some stations have gas but no power, or have gas mixed with water.

4) The whole of the NE suddenly wanted to use ALL their cars at once because the public transport system is largely offline. Given some of the distances people travel to work, the jams and the dismal mileage of the average American car and the demand went into orbit.

5) The extent of the power outages means that the generator folk are coming back for more gas as well as the new commuters.

Essentially, the demand for gas has increased hugely in just a few days. You cannot fix that overnight. There is just too much inertia in a supply chain serving that many people.
 
After looking at the devastation suffered by the folks in NJ and parts of NY especially Staten Island, I think it will take time for things to return to normal.

Cars, boats, houses in the roads, natural gas lines ruptured. Red Cross, Salvation Army, National Guard, all types of volunteers lending assistance to the unfortunate people in these areas.

I personally don't think anything is abnormal at this period in time. I think the folks in LA after Katrina probably had the exact same problems as we are having in the Northeast.

Hopefully in the next few days things will get better for those
who have lost loved ones and probably all their worldly possessions.

I think the gas shortage is a result of mother natures destruction and nothing else.

Get out the check books gang, the Salvation Army and the folks affected can use the help.

And a BIG THANKS to our Southern neighbors for sending crews up here to help out.
 
Gasoline lines back to normal in my neighborhood today (Thank Goodness).

But more than half the stations are still closed.

Very odd.
 
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