Winchester 1897 Question

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I know, not S&W related, but someone here might be able to help me out with this.

Anyone know what the "hesitation feature" is on Winchester 1897 riot shotguns? It was mentioned on a home gunsmithing DVD advertisement.

Thank you,

S/W - Lifer
 
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Just a guess, but they may be referring to the need to apply slight forward pressure on the fore end to unlock the action for cycling after firing. Failing to do this, or continuing to hold reward pressure, keeps the action locked until this is done.

YMMV
 
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Just a guess, but they may be referring to the need to apply slight forward pressure on the fore end to unlock the action for cycling after firing. Failing to do this, or continuing to hold reward pressure, keeps the action locked until this is done.

YMMV


Not a guess; that's spot-on.

Noah
 
Thank's gents, and I'm breathing easier. I picked up a 1921 vintage 1897 riot gun yesterday and it has the feature you described. I was a little concerned that my purchase might have a defect.

Now I wonder if the hesitation feature applies to all '97's or only specific models. Might it apply to a Model 12 riot or trench gun as well?

Thanks - S/W - Lifer
 
My favorite piece. I have 12 of them and am always looking. The explanation on the "hesitation" is dead on.

The "Old Cornpicker" rules!
 
M12's have it too. Recoil takes care of it during live fireing
 
As 2152hq says,, I believe that the recoil action from firing takes care of the the unlocking of the breech... Just my 2 cents......TIN..
 
Hi:
Just a note on safety. The Winchester M1897, M12, Remington M10, and Ithaca M37 do not have an "Automatic Disconnect". If the trigger is in the rearward position, the weapon will fire as soon as the action is back in battery.
With a full magazine, and holding the trigger back, the shooter can empty the magazine faster than with a semi-auto. In my career I have been witness to many, many ADs because of this feature.
Jimmy
 
Thanks, everyone. I appreciate the input.

And once while goose hunting my much older partner had an AD with his Model 12. Water and muck went 15 feet into the air. We couldn't see each other because of reeds and cat-tails. I honestly thought he was dead. When I found him he was speechless but alive and the look on his face unforgetable. He had reloaded his Model 12 with his finger on the trigger. That was 45 years ago and I 'll never forget it.
 
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Would also mention that IIRC correctly The 1897 also has no safety block on its external hammer and can result in AD if struck or dropped on hammer. Case in point: Early 70's as a young LEO witnessed an older officer going on duty carried his gear to to his assigned vehicle. Had 1897 and heavy metal briefcase, opened the car door slid the shotgun across the seat, threw the briefcase in behind it and BOOM! Blew a jagged hole out the side of the car door. Well, they always told us to learn from the more experienced officers so from that night on I made sure to only checkout a Rem. 870.
 
I have an 1897 that was made in 1904. Hold the trigger down and pump the action. Mine has a spring on the mag tube that provided some cushion to the fore end at the foward end of the stroke. That gun is the kickingest SOB I've shot. That steel but plate bites.
 
Would also mention that IIRC correctly The 1897 also has no safety block on its external hammer and can result in AD if struck or dropped on hammer. Case in point: Early 70's as a young LEO witnessed an older officer going on duty carried his gear to to his assigned vehicle. Had 1897 and heavy metal briefcase, opened the car door slid the shotgun across the seat, threw the briefcase in behind it and BOOM! Blew a jagged hole out the side of the car door. Well, they always told us to learn from the more experienced officers so from that night on I made sure to only checkout a Rem. 870.

In a loaded '97, with the hammer all the way down,,the firing pin is resting on the primer of the cartridge and under mainspring pressure. The firing pin was made to extend from the face of the breech block when the hammer is down. As the Officer found out,,not a safe way to carry the '97 loaded. BTW it's the exact same situation that the Winchester leveractions ( '92,94,73,86,etc) use but w/o any bolt release mechanism. Marlin leveractions too.

The hammer placed in the half cock position was the proper way to carry the '97 with a chambered round. Also, in that position, the bolt is locked shut and the action cannot be opened. All this assuming an action in proper mechanical repair and adjustment.

There is a firing pin block in the bolt that engages the pin as soon as the bolt is unlocked and holds the pin in the rear position until the breech block is once again closed and locked. This is to avoid the shotgun fireing with the breechbolt in the unlocked position. This firing pin block mechanism depends on a small spring and cam surface to work properly and on several guns I've worked on it wasn't working properly.

A simple check on the F/P Block is to see if you can depress the fireing pin at the rear while the bolt is retracted/open. The tip of the pin that the hammer strikes should be slightly retracted from the back of the bolt and should not be able to be pushed forward into the bolt at that point.

Also remember with an 870/1100 or any of the other 'hammerless' pump or auto shotguns out there that in most all the guns, the internal hammer is at full cock with a round in chamber and the 'safety' is only a trigger block and in no way blocks the sear.
 
Man, you guys are a wealth of information on the '97 and I appreciate you offering it up. Anyone else with '97 Winchester input should feel free to share it here. Spotteddog's link takes you to a historical page on the '97 with info on accidental discharges. It's worth the read if you have or are considering a '97.

Again, thanks everyone.

S/W - Lifer
 
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