Winchester 94s?

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I know the Pre ‘64 Winchester 94s are better guns than later years, but just how bad are the early 80s examples? My BiL has a 1980 example new in box. It doesn’t have a safety and is not angle eject, and is drilled and tapped from the factory for a receiver peep sight.

Thoughts?
 
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If you’re going to shoot it, these are my thoughts:

First and foremost, get a Lyman or Williams reciever apature sight. Get rid of that buckhorn in the barrel.

Don’t go into this with too high of expectations. Even if you by some miracle got a 1 moa rifle, you’re still handicapped by having no scope. Start out shooting at 50 yards.

I’ve had great success with the Hornady 160 grain plastic tipped projectile at about 2000 fps. The Hornady LeverEvolution ammo works wonder in some guns. The Hornady ammo isn’t a guarantee, but it seems to have a high percentage of success.

Lever guns are a ton of fun. But like I said, don’t take them too seriously. A deer’s heart at tree stand ranges is a big target.
 
It's best to do a Google search, there are many writings of the big changes between 1981 and 1982 with Winchester. Around serial #5000000 was when changes happened - angle eject and then later the rebounding hammer was introduced.
 
That sounds just like mine ... not sure of date but was a gift , earlt to mid 1980's . Safety is the half cock notch , no angle eject and was drilled and tapped for "peep" sight which I installed !
Quite pleased with it ... wood is nice , fit and finish is good ...
smooth to operate , feeds fires and ejects everything 30-30 ...
I reload cast and jacketed bullets for it ... no reloading problems .
I much prefer it to my friends Marlin 336 in 30-30 .
I believe the model 94 of that time to be as good as any and better than most !
Gary
 
Same as pre 64 if New Haven built (my opinion)

As a teenager in the early 1960" I had a Winchester 94 in 1962 and I was not into collecting, research, value or anything else during those years. The rifle in 30-30 was undoubtably the absolute best choice for the dense brush of the Adirondack Mountains of New York, and the same dense steep tree/brush of northwestern PA.

Rifle sold along with my other guns of youth when Uncle Sam came claiming my young rear end and LBJ desiring my advice on how to handle thing at the pentagon.

Fast forward bucoo years until along came a chance at an estate auction for what appeared to be an untouched, unfired, Win 94 in 30-30 and I couldn't wave my paddle fast enough.

The rifle turned out to be one of the last few years that Winchester still made the rifles in New Haven, CT before selling out to US Repeating Arms Co. in 1982.

So mine turns out to be 1979, 20" bbl, half-cock safety that engages a hammer block so safely can carry 5 in the tube and 1 chambered. Top ejection, and I agree that the buckhorn rear sight is still the same as cranked out in 1894, but still a very compact, hard hitting brush rifle at least for those East Coasties.

Of course...all above strictly my opinion...but you get what you pay for.:D
 

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I have a 94 trapper in 45 Colt. I'm the original purchaser back in the early 80s. Installed a peep sight and never looked back. It's taken its fair share of game. IMHO it's a tack driver.

WOW!........I was gonna post the same thing....Mine is exactly the same as yours.......It's easy to put a bullet in anything out to 125 yds or so. The peep I put on mine is a Redfield.
 
I became a student of the 94 several decades ago. Bought every book, read every article and did tons of research. My field of study was on the pre 64's with an emphasis on rifles. Owned a lot of them, hunted deer, elk and antelope with them. Finally, my interests were directed to other things. I carried a 1936 model half was across the Rocky Mountains when I was guiding hunter. Left alone with 6 rounds in the magazine and no other accessories a 94 carbine is one of the sweetest handling long guns around.
 
My hunting buddy & fellow LEO passed at a younger age. I inherited his 94. He had painted the stock and forearm black (he was a swat guy). Dates to 1976. I had a Williams peep sight in parts box. Had that and a barrel plug where rear sight used to be installed. The peep unscrews to create the perfect ghost ring sight. It’s a tack driver.
 
My 1978 mystery metal XTR shoots as well as any other 94 I’ve shot. With a receiver sight it’s 2 inches or less a 100yard. The bluing is flaking off in some spots. But it was a good trade when I was 16-17. I had put in a new pasture fence for my aunt and uncle. Which I was more than happy to do for the asking. When I all done that weekend my aunt wanted to pay me which i refused. So Instead my uncle gave me the rifle which i accepted. I have a project this fall I need my nephews help with. Ponder a guess what he’ll be payed with.
 
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I have owned several trapper's and 20" carbines from that era. All were nice as far as fit and finish. The ones that were new with the box got sold as they were too nice to shoot. I kept a trapper with less than perfect finish serial# 50034xx, great shooter and one of my favorite go to guns.
 
I own a number of Model 94s as well as a 20” Model 64 rifle. Here’s my observations:

I have owned 4 pre 64 20” carbines in .30-30 and all of them have been 1.25-1.5 MOA five shot group rifles at 100 yards. That’s with either a tang sight or a receiver sight. The barrel mounted sights just are not up to delivering that kind of accuracy. I still own three of them.

My Model 64 rifle (the 20” version was often referred to as the carbine but it’s a short rifle pattern) delivers the same level of accuracy with a receiver sight.

I own a Model 94 26” rifle made in 1926 and even with a frosted bore it delivers consistent 2 MOA accuracy with its vintage Lyman tang sigh. I suspect when the bore was new it was a 1 MOA rifle, or closer to it. Prior to WWII Model 94 production included a lot of hand fitting thwart was no longer required on post war rifles made on Winchester’s modern state of the art tooling (Winchester acquired that capability making M1s in WWII.

I have a 26” Model 94 Classic made in 1967, and in addition to having very nice finish and wood, it’s a reliable 2 MOA rifle, again with a receiver sight.

One advantage of the 26” rifles is that they deliver an honest 2400 fps velocity rather than the 2260 fps you normally see in a 20” barrel.

I have a pair of Model 94 24” Legendary Frontiersman rifles in .38-55. They are both solid 2 MOA rifles, and are very nicely finished. They are not overly gaudy by commemorative standards and make good field guns given their barrel profile, light weight and superb balance abs handing. They will handle the Buffalo Bore .38-55 “heavy” ammunition (255 gr bullet at 1900 fps. and are in fact the rifle Buffalo bore used to develop the load.

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I have also owned 3 Model 94 carbines in .30-30, made in the 1970s, all of them preceding the introduction of the rebounding hammer in 1981 followed very shortly by the angle eject. They have consistently been 3-5 MOA carbines, and were noticeably more rattle prone than the pre 64s or the post 1963 commemorative rifles and Classic which all seem to be better fitted.

I sold all of them as they just didn’t deliver the same level of accuracy, but were still minute of deer.

I also acquired and still own a low serial number BB94 in .375 Win. made in 1978. It’s also a solid 2 MOA carbine. It was my go to deer and bear rifle until I discovered the LF in .38-55.

The above accuracy in .30-30 was with either Winchester factory 150 gr soft points or hand loaded Hornady 150 gr soft points. The .38-55 accuracy is with both Buffalo Bore and hand loaded ammunition.

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A couple years ago I bought a Miroku made 20” Trails End take down Model 94 rifle in .38-55. It wasn’t inexpensive, and in standard grade it’s not really a looker, but it is a very good shooter with a receiver sight capable of 1.25 MOA so far as I continue load development. With balance similar to the LF but in a shorter take down package it’s likely to become the go to field gun.

I also have an Uberti 1894 26” rifle in .38-55. It’s also a very good shooting rifle at 1.5 MOA. But it’s heavy.


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In summary:

1) pre war fit and finish was excellent;

2) Post war fit and finish is still very impressive and 1.5 MOA accuracy is a reasonable expectation;

3) the post 1963 to 1981 rifles have all been 2 MOA capable with good fit and finish, as is my XTR grade BB94 carbine.

4) the Model 94 carbines from 1964-1981 have at least in my experience been less accurate, but still minute of deer and they function just fine, if not quite as solid feeling. They also use the original quarter cock safety operating system, which is not drop safe, but is none the less very popular as the traditional Model 94 operating system. In my opinion they are preferable to the later rebounding hammer and cross bolt safety models.

5) While many consider them to the “Japchesters”, Miroku makes exceptional Model 94 rifles and carbines for FN and offers a lot more configuration and caliber choices than Winchester has done since prior to WWII. I am not a fan at all of the tang mounted safety as it precludes practical use of a tang sight. But they are drilled and tapped for a receiver sight, as have been all Model 94s since 1952 and all Model 64s since 1936.
 
The serial number on mine dates it to 1941. It came to me second hand from an uncle. A Lee Loader and a Lee C309-170F mould came shortly thereafter as the after school job didn't afford much factory ammo. It allowed a fifteen year old kid to turn Bambi into venison well enough.
 
From ‘81 until sometime in ‘89, Winchester employees (US Repeating Arms) took over the company and brought back some of the pre-‘64 quality that Winchester Execs did their best to do away with. These guns are very nice, I have two made in ‘82 and ‘83 and they are flawless rifles! I always look for these years when looking at Winchesters… my 2C worth.
 
I purchased this Winchester 94AE Trail's End saddle ring carbine, 20" bbl., with large loop lever (.45 Colt), in 1996. It was brand spankin' new, and I bought it for $283 OTD at a local gun show. I hate the cross bolt safety, but otherwise the fit and finish is very good, it's quick and easy to handle, and the rifle is extremely smooth and accurate. It pairs nicely with my .45 Colt Stoeger/Uberti 1873 Cattleman revolver (2005 NRA presentation model).
 

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