Winchester Train & Defend ammo

[307-Niner]

http://www.winchester.com/library/news/Pages/winchester-w-train-and-defend.aspx

I found this stuff when trying to find a decent price on practice ammo. Interesting concept if it works as advertised. Or is it just a marketing gimmick? Been out for a year now, have any of you tried it?

I can honestly say that I KNOW my practice ammo does not feel the same or perform the same in my gun. And I know that isn't optimum. I have purchased quite a bunch of different ammo trying to find a combo that can do two things: 1- Shoot reliably in my gun. 2- Practice ammo shoot similar to carry ammo.

 

[Rubone]

Got my wife a "Practical Handgun Course" at the Whittington center for her B-day last year. The required ammo was 500 rds of caliber of your choice, she used 38. She used my model 60 for the course, her 37 being a bit light for the amount of shooting going on. She shot 500 rounds plus in a day and a half of range time, all double action. Not a hiccup from the Winchester ammo.
After the course she tried the defense stuff and said she couldn't tell any significant difference. She also outshot everyone in the class with a 2" barreled revolver against all the other users with semis in .380, 9mm, and 40SW, myself included. I was using a Springfield Armory XD40 so no feedback from me other than I was quite pleased with the ammo she used.

 

[Otreb]

In .38sp, it's loaded pretty light so I'd not actually use the defend stuff since its 130gr at under 800fps over my chrono.

 

[colt_saa]

Yes it is exactly as stated.

A training load and a defense load that are the same velocity, trajectory and recoil

 

[Nevada Ed]

Since this thread is only three days old, I will reply..........

Winchester also has a 130gr PDX1 load out for the snub nose
that you might want to look at.
It might be higher in price since it is a quality SD load but it
may also work for you.

I will try the Remington 125gr GS if I can ever find them in town.
No way am I going to pay shipping on just one box.

later.

 

[martybee]

I shoot Winchester Train & Defend (T) 9mm 147 gr. FMJ FN, and have excellent results! I manage to consistently group my shoots into a 3" circle @ 10Yds. I buy it at my LGS and pay $17.99 per 50rd. box.
I have found this same ammo online for less, but after shipping costs it comes out the same or higher!

mb

 

[ranvette]

It tests as one of the top loads for short barrel 9mm.Right up there with 147 HST and RA9T Ranger T 147.Its right at 15 inches or so in bare and 4 layer denim.Really the perfect load for a shield.The defend load is also very low flash for at night.Were the training load is not.Winchester uses 2 different powders in the loads.A low flash load is also dirty just the trade off.As far as i know the defend may be bonded to.To me it looks like a form of the PDX1 bullet.But i am sure its tweaked some how as it does real well at about 870fps out of 9mm 3 inch barrel.No question in my mind this load is excellent and will be a good choice for gals packing 9mm.Or anybody really.Its very easy to shoot well and will be a good man stopper

 

[badge 851]

My wife uses the Winchester® Train & Defend™ 38 Special 130gr (both loads) in her 357 Mag and 38 Special snubbies. I also use it as a range and carry load in my J frame #10062. It is highly accurate. POA & POI are virtually identical in all three guns.

 

[martybee]

Excellent target ammo. I just bought 500 rds. of the Winchester
"T" -147gr. FMJRNFP from Selway Armory at: $13.99 for a box of 50 rds.
My M&P9FS eats it up!
Selway Armory
mb