With all the "They're after this, they're after that" threads I'm curious.

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Just what firearm do you think is totally safe from the politicians and why? Is there a reason you think the appeasement strategy that lets things be taken away one step at a time will work? That at some point they will say "OK, we've taken enough now and are happy to stop.".

Some of you obviously believe this and I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from. If it helps I promise I will not try and counter any of your arguments. I'm not trying to start a multi page argument, just trying to understand your position better.
 
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"....That at some point they will say "OK, we've taken enough now and are happy to stop.".

I think they will (would like to) say -

"...and are happy to stop....for now."

And IMO, they will never stop.
 
The misinformation, panic, and speculation posted on these boards just blows me away.
People post all kinds of things without checking their facts. When called upon it, they cleverly weasel out with more misinformation, panic and specualtion. Never stops.

Sorry for the ramble. To answer the Q, nothing is safe, as we are all aware.
 
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Taken enough? Probably never. But let's keep in mind that the gun-grabbers have been beaten to a bloody pulp the past few years. From handgun carry being allowed now in most all states... to the sunsetting of the Assault Weapons ban... and the recent Supreme Court Decision... My guess is that they're probably more concerned about how much more ground they will lose than when they have taken enough.

Keep vigilant... the gun-grabbers are beaten but they have not surrendered. ^5 NRA! :)
 
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I have an extensive collection of old gun magazines that were my late Fathers. Some old American Rifleman issues from the '60s and '70s are very illuminating. In their reporting on gun issues in congress, several times mention is made of pending bills that would totally ban different classes of guns. In a few instances, they would ban the ownership of ANY firearm by the general public. This was not to be state law, but sweeping federal legislation. These draconian measures obviously failed, but it shows the anti-gun side finally realized their utopian view of a gunless society would only be achieved in incremental bites. We used to have the "Coalition To Ban Handguns". Then it became "Handgun Control, Inc.". Now it's the "Violence Policy Center". They realized even the names showed their true intentions, so they softened them
up.
In answer to the original question, no, I don't think there is any form of firearm they would say they have no problem with you owning, if they had their way totally. But they'll never admit that now. Some short-sighted gun owners say give them those evil black rifles and they'll never come after my Browning Superposed. That's precisely what they want us to think.
Don't know about you, but I'm not buyin' it.
 
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I have an extensive collection of old gun magazines that were my late Fathers. Some old American Rifleman issues from the '60s and '70s are very illuminating. In their reporting on gun issues in congress, several times mention is made of pending bills that would totally ban different classes of guns. In a few instances, they would ban the ownership of ANY firearm by the general public. This was not to be state law, but sweeping federal legislation. These draconian measures obviously failed, but it shows the anti-gun side finally realized their utopian view of a gunless society would only be achieved in incremental bites. We used to have the "Coalition To Ban Handguns". Then it became "Handgun Control, Inc.". Now it's the "Violence Policy Center". They realized even the names showed their true intentions, so they softened them
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Ah, the good old days. The very fact that we're having this discussion shows how bad the problem has become. I'll bet you also saw ads for beer and cigarettes in those magazines as well. Times have changed drastically. Sure, the antis have changed their name. Those that would strip us of our rights are more powerful and determined than ever. We might have won a battle in the last election, but the war goes on. Their tactics change with the times. They saw that bombastic, all-at-once re-regulation would not work. Now they chip away at our rights and drive wedges between us. Evil Black guns vs shotguns vs handguns. Smokers vs non-smokers. Too much fat in your Happy Meal. Nope, they have no end in sight.

......moon
 
I just watched ol' Bloomberg on the news call for the enforcement of existing gun laws and did not see a point in passing more laws that wouldn't be enforced. I thought it odd. they also made the statement that there are 34 deaths related to firearms every day. does that statement include ALL firearms related deaths? The number sounded odd.
 
34 deaths from guns every day in the US? Does that count cops killing bad guys, drug dealers killing each other, homeowners killing intruders, CC licensed citizens saving a life by killing an attacker.......

I think most of us can agree we can't give up anything, or it will be the road to losing everything. I have been shocked to see some people on here, in a roundabout way, imply that they would be OK with a hi-cap magazine ban, with comments like "I have never needed more than 5 rounds in my hunting rifle"........it seems gun owners are not united, but have organized themselves into "cliques"....semi-auto rifle owners vs. hunters, handgunners vs. trap shooters, etc. "I don't need a Glock,let them ban those 30 round mags...... I have a Ruger Red Label that I shoot trap with every weekend and a Rem 870 for HD, who's gonna worry about a shotgun ban" seems a common theme with some.
 
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Just what firearm do you think is totally safe from the politicians and why? Is there a reason you think the appeasement strategy that lets things be taken away one step at a time will work? That at some point they will say "OK, we've taken enough now and are happy to stop.".

Some of you obviously believe this and I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from. If it helps I promise I will not try and counter any of your arguments. I'm not trying to start a multi page argument, just trying to understand your position better.
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My pick is the firearm that you carefully bury deep in the ground in the darkness following the next full moon. Don't forget the plastic wrapping
 
Just remember, all they have to do is make spitting on the sidewalk or passing gas in public a felony and all your firearms are gone.
 
My 1850's vintage .41 caliber muzzle-loading single-shot percussion rifle "shares significant design features that are used, or have been used, in weapons for military use" (albeit, weapons of Civil War military use), thus clearly fits into that commonly used definition of "assault weapons".

The 60-year old Marlin Model 39 lever-action .22 rifle that I gave to my grandson will hold over 20 rounds in the magazine, thus qualifying as an "assault weapon" under many common definitions in use.

During WW2 the US Marines experimented with mounting BAR 20-round magazines to US M1903 Springfield rifles, which means that the 5-round standard '03 Springfield "can be modified to accept magazines having a capacity of 20 rounds", therefore is an "assault weapon".

Rifles that are not sufficiently accurate for hunting can be described as "having no legitimate sporting purpose".

Rifles that are highly accurate, especially those with telescopic sights, are frequently refered to as "sniper rifles" by the anti-gun crowd.

I actually witnessed an incident in which a Colt Single Action Army revolver went full-auto for 3 rounds. The recoil shield blew out, allowing the primers to blow back, thus cocking the hammer and revolving the cylinder and, with the trigger pulled, that old .45 Long Colt popped off a 3-round burst before a loose primer jammed in the hammer recess. Therefore, to some it is reasonable to describe the 137-year-old Colt SAA revolver as "readily converted to a machinegun".

There is no such thing as a firearm that is safe from those who are pursuing "reasonable controls". Everything is part of an incremental process of completely disarming the general public, and every argument used is nothing more than semantics intended to inflame emotional responses.

Once the camel gets his nose inside the tent we will be forced to sleep with the camel. Keep swatting his nose.
 
lobo,

In the early days of WW2 Australia developed a means to convert bolt action military rifles into gas operated machine guns similar to a light weight BAR. I have a copy of the shop drawings and while I've never tried the conversion after you understand the principle it does not look that hard. Remember John Brownings first sub machine gun started life as 44 WCF M92 Winchester.
 
Listen to what the politicians say:

Senator Diane Fenstein of Kalifornia..........If I had enough votes I would tell you, "Mr and Mrs America---TURN THEM ALL IN".

Of course...she is slightly NUTS........

These people (Fenstein, Pelosi, etc.) will do anything for a VOTE.

Fenstein has a CCW and guards. You, peon, are not allowed!
 
The town I live in has a restriction against using any item within the town limits that can be used to propel a projectile.

So kids cannot use slingshots. Adults cannot practice using the bow & arrows for hunting season. Dart throwing is against the law. Even cork guns are banned from being used within the town limits. Yet this is a gun friendly area. One many owns over 400 acres of wooded land filled with deer on the outskirts of town and the powers to be will not allow him to hunt on his own land.

This may offer some insight on how far the government is capable of going.
 
Believe it or not, it's not about the "guns" anyway. It's about the "control". They just need to get the guns so they can control everything else.
 
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