With all the "They're after this, they're after that" threads I'm curious.

[billdeserthills]

Why is it that 30 rounds is an "extended" magazine for a Glock, but a 30 round mag is standard for an M16-AR15?

If you have a 32 round mag for your handgun it's like "Jeez why do you need that many rounds" but then if you have a 30 round mag for your AR15, it's just the normal mag......it's all about perception and what anti-gunners can point at and scream "That's evil and we need to ban it!!!!"

There was even a "public poll" in my local newspaper where they ask random people around town if, quoted for improper anti-gun terminology "Clips that hold 30+ bullets should be banned"......and some idiot is like "I'm a hunter, and I don't think any normal citizen needs 30 rounds in a magazine".....others are like "Who needs a gun that holds 30 bullets" they are all parrots, just repeating what they hear...I should go tell him no normal person needs a .300 Win Mag with a 32x scope to kill a 70 lb. whitetail......

Yeah, screw Zumbo. If a hunter has any real balls he oughta make the kill the old fashioned way, with a Spear. Just sayin...

 

[afasano]

When different kinds of gun owners start seperating themselves from each other, than we are in trouble........"sportsmen" want to differentiate themselves from the "NRA gun nuts", so some of them say........they are the "who needs 20 Glocks, 10 AR15's and 10,000 rounds of ammo" crew.......since their one Rem 700 and 20 rounds of 30-06 is "enough for hunting".

They have been trying to divide gun owners into groups of "gun club snob hunters" vs. pistol and semi auto target shooters for a long time.

 

[wbraswell]

I think if you are in a debate with one of our adversaries on this issue, you should ask them. "How are you stopping crime by making otherwise law-abiding Americans, like me, felons? Because I'm not turning in anything." If they get their way, we will all be members of the National Pocketknife Association.

 

[billdeserthills]

I think if you are in a debate with one of our adversaries on this issue, you should ask them. "How are you stopping crime by making otherwise law-abiding Americans, like me, felons? Because I'm not turning in anything." If they get their way, we will all be members of the National Pocketknife Association.

Yup,
And right after they get that, pocketknives will come under fire too
The anti-gunners remind me of most 18&19 year olds. They haven't the faintest idea how life works, but they are experts at every aspect of it, don't believe me, ask one for yourself

 

[DeadManWalking]

Because they'll never ban guns or require you to register gun

Just a few of the banned firearms, maybe not in all 50 states but . . . That have been banned, look at this list and check it again in two years, I'll bet it will have doubled.

Just machineguns.
Just silencers.
Just short barrels.
Just ones that look different.
Just pistols, in some places.
Just all guns in a few states.
Just most magazines.
Just folding stocks.
Just guns with rifled barrels over .500 bore.
Just threaded barrels.
Just concealed carry.
Just open carry.
Just Chinese guns.
Just Chinese ammo.
Just armor piercing ammo.
Just hollow points.
Just lead ammo.
Just military guns.
Just scary looking shotguns.
Just anything south african.
Just select fire.
Just pistol grips.
Just flash hiders.
Just magazines that attach outside the pistol grip.
Just pistols over 50 ounces.
Just grenade launchers.
Just bayonet lugs.
Just open bolt.
Just semi automatic clones of full auto guns.
Just shotguns that can accept detachable magazines.
Just shotguns that can hold over 5 rounds.
Just guns without enough American parts.
Just imported guns that don't make a specific "sporting-purpose" parts count.
Just the Algimec Agmi
Just the Armalite AR-180
Just the Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol
Just the Auto-Ordnance Thompson type
Just the Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type
Just the Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1
Just the Beretta AR-70
Just the Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol
Just the Calico models M-900, M-950 and 100-P
Just the Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88
Just the Colt AR-15 and Sporter
Just the Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2
Just the Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45
Just the Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FN/FNC
Just the FAMAS MAS 223
Just the Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT
Just the Federal XC-900 and XC-450
Just the Franchi SPAS-12 and LAW-12
Just the Galil AR and ARM
Just the Goncz High-Tech Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol
Just the Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89
Just the Holmes MP-83
Just the MAC-10
Just the MAC-11 and MAC-11 Carbine type
Just the Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion
Just the Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000
Just the Ruger Mini-14/5F
Just the Scarab Skorpion
Just the SIG 57 AMT and 500 series
Just the Spectre Auto Carbine and Auto Pistol
Just the Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G-3
Just the Sterling MK-6 and MK-7
Just the Steyr AUG
Just the Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns
Just the USAS-12
Just the UZI Carbine, Mini-Carbine and Pistol
Just the Weaver Arms Nighthawk
Just the Wilkinson "Linda" Pistol

Yeah, they're not working towards a goal here. Nope, they will never ban firearms, completely. LOL! And if you believe that I've a couple bridges for sale, fool.

 

[Etemmu]

I dont know any shooters who subscribe to the "appeasement strategy". While I personally dont have any use for a 30 round mag for any of my pistols, I certainly dont think they should be regulated in any way. If they were going to be banned, now would be a great time to buy as many as I could find/afford. The smart ones among us already have a plan to protect their property from those who wish to take it. In the event of a complete gun ban, I wonder how many folks would turn their collection, their PRIVATE property, over to some government agency...oops, I'm getting off topic

 

[oldtexan]

Folks, the political tide in this country is running strongly against further gun control and in favor of greater firearms rights, has been for more than a decade, and likely will continue as the people lose even more of their faith in government's ability to solve various problems.

I don't understand why we continue to allow ourselves to be frightened by the few and almost invariably unsuccessful attempts to weaken the 2d Amendment.

Think about the increase in the number of states that have "shall issue" carry laws over the last two decades. Think about the Heller decision. Think about the apparent dismantling, albeit slow, of gun prohibitions in the District of Columbia, in Chicago, etc.

Here in Texas, concealed carry by concealed handgun licensees on college campuses appears headed to becoming legal. More than half the State Legislature has signed on as co-authors of one bill that would allow it (HB 750); there is strong support for it in the Texas Senate (SB 86); Governor Perry has publicly stated that he supports it.

Another bill that looks likely to become law here would empower employees in Texas to keep firearm in their locked vehicles in their employers' parking lots.

A couple of years ago it became legal for law-abiding Texans to possess concealed loaded firearms in their vehicles even if they lacked a concealed carry license.

Similar changes are going on in many other states.

We all need to keep the gun control situation in perspective. Gun control at the Federal level and in almost all states is a political loser now. The high tide of US gun control was probably the 1994 bills; Democrats now understand that passage of those bills caused Dems to lose control of the US House of Representatives in elections that year. They don't want to pay a price like that again.

Yes, there are people who continue to want to impose even more restrictions on firearms ownership in this country. The reality is that these people are becoming increasingly irrelevant in terms of their influence on our laws and public policy. We should be realistic about that.

 

[vrd-vmd]

Remember it is CONTROL the elite want. However gun control is the lynch pin. Although they seem to be willing for now to chip away at many decision and responsibilities we once had to control ourselves.

 

[Gunfighter9]

Gun control does not impact crime, violent or otherwise. Why? Because, gun control does not deal with the root causes of crime which are based in economic, and social issues. So, if gun control has no legitimate impact on crime, but its supporters claim their goal is to make the world a safer place. Why then do they persist with their flawed strategy? The answer is that public safety is not their concern. All power in the world derives from the ability of one party to enforce its will upon another party. Without this, there is no power. Stripping firearms from the American people is a way of setting the stage for a non-democratic form of government. Therefore there is not one single object firearm or otherwise beyond the scope of potential governmental regulation.

Take for example the development of many Japanese martial arts weapons. They were crafted from common farm tools in many cases because the government of Japan had outlawed the possesion of swords by anyone other than the Samurai. Of course, government has gotten much more "progressive". So expect that right after a total ban on guns passes a registration of baseball bats, kitchen knives, hockey sticks, and other improvised weapons will begin. The attempts to disarm us will never cease. The line needs to be drawn right now.

 

[wbraswell]

DeadManWalking, you could have included "big" guns and "little" guns.

 

[fox.ag9]

Gun control does not impact crime, violent or otherwise. Why? Because, gun control does not deal with the root causes of crime which are based in economic, and social issues. So, if gun control has no legitimate impact on crime, but its supporters claim their goal is to make the world a safer place. Why then do they persist with their flawed strategy? The answer is that public safety is not their concern. All power in the world derives from the ability of one party to enforce its will upon another party. Without this, there is no power. Stripping firearms from the American people is a way of setting the stage for a non-democratic form of government. Therefore there is not one single object firearm or otherwise beyond the scope of potential governmental regulation.

Take for example the development of many Japanese martial arts weapons. They were crafted from common farm tools in many cases because the government of Japan had outlawed the possesion of swords by anyone other than the Samurai. Of course, government has gotten much more "progressive". So expect that right after a total ban on guns passes a registration of baseball bats, kitchen knives, hockey sticks, and other improvised weapons will begin. The attempts to disarm us will never cease. The line needs to be drawn right now.

The only thing I disagree with here is, "Gun control does not impact crime, violent or otherwise." Statistics show that in cities and states where there is strict gun control, the crime rate is higher. In those areas with little or no gun control the crime rate is significantly lower. Stands to reason.

 

[LadySmithShooter]

Just what firearm do you think is totally safe from the politicians and why? Is there a reason you think the appeasement strategy that lets things be taken away one step at a time will work? That at some point they will say "OK, we've taken enough now and are happy to stop.".

Some of you obviously believe this and I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from. If it helps I promise I will not try and counter any of your arguments. I'm not trying to start a multi page argument, just trying to understand your position better.

Take a look at a few YouTube videos on Australia. You'll understand pretty quick.

Want to understand more? Do a little research on IANSA and Rebecca Peterson, not to mention their unlimited funding. They will never be satisfied as long as the slaves have guns.

Brenda