World's Finest Trimmer vs. CTS Case Trimmer???

[Maximumbob54]

Does anyone have both of these and really thinks one is better than the other? The WFT does cost more than the CTS but maybe the CTS does just as fine a job for less. I've read reviews of the Possum Hollow trimmer and they all seem to report that it works but could just be made better. But then again it does cost less than these two. Any advice?

 

[Rule3]

The Possum Hollow only works well when the Possum is playing possum. Once you stick him with it, it's not very good as he squirms all over the place.

Can't help ya, I have a RCBS, even bought the drill attachment thingy but just crank it by hand , has Trim Pro 3 way cutter head. Does it all in one step.

 

[Maximumbob54]

I have the very similar Forster version of a regular trimmer. It works well enough but I get more deviation than I'm willing to put up with.

AND IT'S FREAKING SLOW!!!!!!!

Pretty much all of the shoulder trimmers work much faster than the regular versions even with you cheat them with a drill.

I'm just curious if anyone can say for sure the WFT is that much superior to the CTS for the extra money.

 

[Rule3]

I only do 223. I neck size only for my bolt Savage Varmint so I do not trim much. For the AR and Ruger I full size them but still do not need to trim much.
With the 3 way cutter it is plenty fast, mind numbing but still fast enough.

 

[Maximumbob54]

Rule3, you must have better patience than I have.

 

[Rule3]

Rule3, you must have better patience than I have.

Actually I have no patience with any thing.

How are the two you mention are any faster? Worlds finest claims 600 per hour. If I put the drill on the RCBS it is basically the same but no de- burring or chamfering.
Granted you do not need to insert the case head into the holder.

The video of the TWF looks pretty slick though and complete money back guaranty.

I made a little tray to put under the cutter to collect 99.9% of the chips

 

[Maximumbob54]

I think I've decided to buy a WFT for .223 as I want to process that in as much volume as I can afford and buy a CTS for both .308 and .30-06 as I won't be running nearly as much of those. At some point there will be picks and my ramblings on the both of them.

I like the idea of a tray instead of trusting the vac to pick up the mess. I might set a plastic tray under everything to catch the mess.

 

[Rule3]

I would think a man of your wealth and fame would have.

Dillon Precision: Reloaders, Reloading Equipment, Bullet Reloading, Bullet Reloaders


"I don't always trim cases but when I do, I trim with Dillon"

 

[Maximumbob54]

Nooooooooo. Not for over $200....

Besides, I think you are mistaking my debt for wealth and my big mouth for fame...

 

[rck281]

IMHO The Wilson is the finest trimmer made but it's slow. It's the one that is used by most benchrest shooters. However, benchrest shooters use very few cases.

 

[novalty]

IMHO The Wilson is the finest trimmer made but it's slow. It's the one that is used by most benchrest shooters. However, benchrest shooters use very few cases.

+1 to that rck281. I love my L.E. Wilson case trimmer with micrometer adjustment. They make a adapter so that you can use a drill on it as well--which speeds up the process.

 

[Maximumbob54]

IMHO The Wilson is the finest trimmer made but it's slow. It's the one that is used by most benchrest shooters. However, benchrest shooters use very few cases.

+1 to that rck281. I love my L.E. Wilson case trimmer with micrometer adjustment. They make a adapter so that you can use a drill on it as well--which speeds up the process.

L. E. WILSON Inc.

That is a smart looking trimmer. I bought my M700 to see how accurate I can make a .308 and now I might have to add that to the wishlist once I start up that project. Thanks for the tip!!!

 

[Twoboxer]

I currently use the Lee case trimmer chucked in a drill and the Lee chamfer tool. Help me understand the speed benefit (overall) of trimming via indexing off the neck.

After the case has been trimmed, it still needs to be in/out chamfered, right? So it seems the time/energy I saved by not chucking the base of the shell into a shell holder is lost when I have to (a) chuck the base to chamfer, or (b) chamfer by hand.

What am I missing?

 

[RussellD]

If you find a way to purchase a Giraud case trimmer you will ask why you waited so long.

 

[Maximumbob54]

I currently use the Lee case trimmer chucked in a drill and the Lee chamfer tool. Help me understand the speed benefit (overall) of trimming via indexing off the neck.

After the case has been trimmed, it still needs to be in/out chamfered, right? So it seems the time/energy I saved by not chucking the base of the shell into a shell holder is lost when I have to (a) chuck the base to chamfer, or (b) chamfer by hand.

What am I missing?

All I can offer is that from the videos I've seen it looks easier and more precise. But then I haven't tried the Lee option either.

If you find a way to purchase a Giraud case trimmer you will ask why you waited so long.

$440 price tag is just too steep for case trimming for my desires. I have no doubt it's the Cadillac/Benz of trimming but I'm trying to step up from Ford Fiesta to Ford Crown Vic at this stage.

 

[Rule3]

I currently use the Lee case trimmer chucked in a drill and the Lee chamfer tool. Help me understand the speed benefit (overall) of trimming via indexing off the neck.

After the case has been trimmed, it still needs to be in/out chamfered, right? So it seems the time/energy I saved by not chucking the base of the shell into a shell holder is lost when I have to (a) chuck the base to chamfer, or (b) chamfer by hand.

What am I missing?

I have and have used the individual Lee trimmer. Not the pull start thing.

The Lee works fine, but it is a set length (you can shorten it by grinding) but that is permanent. It is painfully slow to lock in the holder and then remove. I have tried just holding a case with fingers and running a drill in it.

It's inexpensive, works well but for high volume not to fast.

I have put the shell holder in a bench vise. Attached a small pair of needle nose vice grips to the lock ring (makes it faster to turn, lock, un lock), and then used the drill with the cutter.

 

[Maximumbob54]

A CTS in .308 guise is on the way and a WFT in .223 will be here after that. We shall see. Well, you will when I take pics...

 

[Dnotarianni]

No experience with the Possom but I bought the WFT and hooked it to a 1/10, 1500 rpm motor and trimmed 1200 223 cases in 45 min earlier today and I see no need to debur at all. I'm happy and would buy again.

Dave

 

[Maximumbob54]

Trying to keep on a budget that isn't noodles only and yet still keep the bills and debts getting paid away but you still have to work in some fun stuff here and there...

Well since loading rifle is a lot more work than I ever thought and trimming the cases to match is my single largest effort in the process I decided to step away from the mini lathe looking Forster and try a couple of the drill chuck mounting sholder indexing trimmers.

Enter the WFT "Worlds Finest Trimmer" from Little Crow Gun Works:

World's Finest Trimmer at Little Crow Gun Works

I chose this one for .223 as I'm dying to keep the AR's loaded and in use and trimming a bucket of .223 cases is a mega chore. The WFT has a roller bearing head that you just set the depth with two set screws and stick the case mouth into the hole and a second later you are done.

Using the Forster I was lucky to get a few cases done per minute. The WFT trims a case every few seconds. It takes longer to pick one up and get it in the opening and drop it into a different bucket than it does to do one case on the Forster. I have the WFT in a cordless drill right now but I may swap it into a corded drill held in the vise and clamp the trigger down. I wear a leather glove for grip on the case and it's FAST going.

The CTS will be in .308 and is due in any day now. It costs less but isn't roller baring and uses a nylon ring instead. I don't plan on shooting near the volume of .308 and may buy the CTS in .30-06 as well due only to the cost and lack of volume again. I think I would buy one in .30-30 as well but they don't offer that version and I like to shoot cast bullets in Trail Boss loadings in the Marlin 336 so I can run through those more than .308 and .30-06 combined. Maybe that one will be another WFT as well. CTS review and pics when she gets here.

 

[Maximumbob54]

The guy that sells the CTS trimmers lists them on eBay but doesn't have a store. This is the best link I can find to them but if you search "CTS case trimmer" they will pop up in the various calibers. He even makes one in .50 BMG... Yikes, I can't imagine loading that in volume.

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No labeling to show but it came in a small plastic box marker labeled .308 and had the instructions wrapped around it.

The CTS operates very similar to the WFT in that you put the trimmer in the drill chuck, insert the case into the opening for trimming, and remove the case, done. But the CTS uses that grayish colored nylon liner for a semi friction free rotating surface while you gently push the case. The instructions say to ensure to use clean lube free brass and I bet it had better be super clean or over time that nylon will be eaten away by irregularities on the brass. But the CTS costs much less than the WFT and I don't intend on using it in nearly as much bulk loading.

 

[Rule3]

Bob,

So what is the final verdict on the WFT?? Yay or Nay?
Is it really fast, leaves a good edge or do you still need to chamfer and de burr it??

 

[Maximumbob54]

They both leave a very clean square edge. I feel the WFT is worth the extra money as the case is held better than the CTS's spinning nylon chamber. The cutter in either one is steel and I'm sure will get dull eventually but will be very easy to replace. I've since trimmed a few thousand .223 cases and the cutter is finally starting to show a little wear but still trims to the same length.

Either one though does spit brass shavings everywhere!!!

Oh, and fast??? You can't pick up the case and toss it into the finished bucket as fast as either one will trim.

 

[PattonTime]

Worlds Finest trimmer

I have two of these and will buy at least one more.
They are great, I have a "multi " one does 223, 221 Fireball and 222 Rem maybe, I can't remember I bought it for Fireball and 223.
I also have it for 300 Blackout which is a must in my opinion to make the cases.
I am going to order another for 243, 7mm/08 and 308.It works on all three.
The only bad thing is price. I even have to pay sales tax as I live in Mn Where they are made.
Chris

 

[Maximumbob54]

I really think the WFT is worth the extra bucks, but the CTS is still a decent tool to have. Since the case of the CTS will be rubbing the nylon liner I will be super sure the brass is well polished and super clean before trimming. If there was a CTS for .30-30 I would buy one as I don't reload a lot of that one but it would be worth it. But for anything you reload on a regular or reload in volume I say the WFT is about as good as it's going to get until you really step up in cost.

 

[Dnotarianni]

What I forgot to mention is I also mounted a tuppaware container lid to the motor and use the bottom of the container snaped to the lid to catch the trimmings. Think Girard trimmer from the ghetto.