Worst Issued Equipment

1. Issued first M10 in 1978. While going through the local academy(after being on the job for almost a year) my third issued M10 had the bolt stop break while shooting the final qualification.

2. Given a Oldsmobile Diesel sedan for a marked uniform patrol unit. The engine blew up the first month it was in service. The department bought three of them and the other two went down fairly quickly. Another one had the engine blow and the last one had gas put in it. On top of that, they were so slow that a kid on a tricycle could outrun them and they sounded like a city bus coming down the road.

3. The light bar on one car I was driving caught fire while I was driving to a domestic call one night.

4. Was issued a first generation balistic vest. It was some off brand I never heard of. It was so hot and itchy and so bulky that nobody wore them.

5. Shiny, imitation patent leather duty gear that squeaked and stuck to the plastic car seats and soon started the crack.

6. Given a tiny Chevette to drive one one department and later a Chrysler K Car...What a piece of...Well, you know.

7. Issued a M10 at the same department that the "Chief" had allowed a buddy to chrome plate. I do mean chrome and not nickel. All the issued revolvers had this treatment and all were flaking. Some had the cylinders freeze. I wound up just bringing my 586 to work with the Bianchi Breakfront security holster I bought for it. Nobody seemed to notice or care that I did.

8. Issued a little slapjack for an impact weapon...Just the slapjack.(No, not a blackjack). I bought my own Convoy for my back pocket as well as a baton. Used my 7 cell Kellight most of the time for that purpose.

9. The same department issued exactly 12 rounds of .38 Spl RNL. Speedloaders were forbidden.

10. One department prohibited backup weapons or any kind of pocket knives. I carried both anyway. Most of the other officers on patrol did also.

11. One rural department had new officers work in civilian clothes for a month or so before issuing 2 uniforms. The Sheriff wanted to make sure you didn't quit before ordering any uniforms. One did get a badge and ID. You could carry your own .38 if you wanted...or not.

I could go on but I have probably forgotten more than I can remember. I eventually left law enforcement after about 14 years and went into another line of work. Some of the incentive to make the change was the lousy equipment and poor quality supervisors that I encountered. Not all were like that but it only takes one to get you killed. I did miss it for a while but got over that...Best of luck to all the people still on the job!

9.
 
Would I do it again-- DARN RIGHT!

"Doing good police work is the most fun you will ever have in your life." Joe Wambaugh.
Now that I've been retired sometime I realize how much I loved the job, even with all the B.S. oversight and P.C. attitudes that came about in the late 80's.
 
Geez, I really had nothing to complain about in comparison!

Prior to that in the AF (SAC for my first year or so) we had '65 Dodge 6-pack 2WD pickups with slant 6 engines and 4 speed for strike team vehicles. We used to run the socks off them and the road to the nuclear weapons storage area was about 3 miles out. On drills and exercises we ran those things full out. The bodies were falling apart but otherwise you couldn't break them. Always had a soft spot for those old 6 bangers afterwards.

About a year later I was overseas racing around at a bomb dump, bringing back a case of grenades because of a shooting incident. I failed to make a corner and ran that International pickup straight into a wall of 750 pound bombs. They were unfused, but I remember wondering as I headed into them if they would go boom or not. "Memories are made of this".
 
357-yeah, and even without the bugs, they are still direct gas impingement opperated, and that's the biggest bug of all! There are some now that are gas cylinder opperated, and I understand that the new Sig is sold out and back ordered, but it is an AK-47 in a Sig rapper. Did you notice that when we supply our "allies" with weapons all around the globe that they don't want M-16"s? I heard that we actually bought some AK's from China for some Iraq troops. Ask the trops, they want 1911's and M-14's-but what do they know(?). Flapjack.
 
The last M16A2 I was issued by the National Park Service was the most reliable and accurate M16 I have ever shot. I carried it in my patrol vehicle in a electric gun mount on the hump along with my 870. The A2 was made by FN.

I could tell you about the funky equiptment I was issued by the NPS in 1971 when I went to work for them, but it would take too long.

We finally started getting better equiptment after the Bicentenial events. We showed up at Minute Man and Lexington looking like Panch Villa's Mexian Army. No two rangers had the same weapon or leather. By the time we made Ft. McHenery and Philadelphia for the celebrations, we looked a little better.

Our vehicle were always pretty good and as time went on the equiptment got better.

After I left the Park Service I was a Chief of Police for a 30 Officer Department. Our Equiptment was excellent, I saw to it.

Rule 303
 
Have them carry around an M-14 for a little while and ask them if they still like it. The only issue gear I ever fully questioned while in the Air Force was the "nut protector," a little flap that hung from the end of a flak jacket and covered...well, you know. I like the idea, just not the execution.
 
The city I worked for when I started out replaced Dodge Polaras with 440s with 1981 Dodge aspens. We were issued two bought off a state contract. First one blew the transmission with 22 miles on it. It was sold as scrap a year later after 3 transmissions and 2 engines later with a total of 300 miles on it. It never ran more than 3 days in a row. The second would not go faster than 65mph full out. It was fairly reliable just not fast.

S&W 916 shotgun. One came apart in my hands when I chambered a round in it during a robbery call.

The revolver they issued me was an M&P 6 inch with a bent barrel. I gave it back and carried my own. We weren't issued leather and new weapons until 1982 and only after we as a dept. threatened a lawsuit against the city.
 
Like Smith 357 posted, The AR/M16 platfrom........I was "Issued" & have had a few new Colts that I bought. I have really tried to like the things. BUT when all is said & done they are to much of a pain to clean & keep-up. For me in a real world situation I would pick a Heavy bbl Remington in 308 with a nice Leuipold scope and 1911 pistol ANYTIME
 
1. Issued first M10 in 1978. While going through the local academy(after being on the job for almost a year) my third issued M10 had the bolt stop break while shooting the final qualification.

2. Given a Oldsmobile Diesel sedan for a marked uniform patrol unit. The engine blew up the first month it was in service. The department bought three of them and the other two went down fairly quickly. Another one had the engine blow and the last one had gas put in it. On top of that, they were so slow that a kid on a tricycle could outrun them and they sounded like a city bus coming down the road.

3. The light bar on one car I was driving caught fire while I was driving to a domestic call one night.

4. Was issued a first generation balistic vest. It was some off brand I never heard of. It was so hot and itchy and so bulky that nobody wore them.

5. Shiny, imitation patent leather duty gear that squeaked and stuck to the plastic car seats and soon started the crack.

6. Given a tiny Chevette to drive one one department and later a Chrysler K Car...What a piece of...Well, you know.

7. Issued a M10 at the same department that the "Chief" had allowed a buddy to chrome plate. I do mean chrome and not nickel. All the issued revolvers had this treatment and all were flaking. Some had the cylinders freeze. I wound up just bringing my 586 to work with the Bianchi Breakfront security holster I bought for it. Nobody seemed to notice or care that I did.

8. Issued a little slapjack for an impact weapon...Just the slapjack.(No, not a blackjack). I bought my own Convoy for my back pocket as well as a baton. Used my 7 cell Kellight most of the time for that purpose.

9. The same department issued exactly 12 rounds of .38 Spl RNL. Speedloaders were forbidden.

10. One department prohibited backup weapons or any kind of pocket knives. I carried both anyway. Most of the other officers on patrol did also.

11. One rural department had new officers work in civilian clothes for a month or so before issuing 2 uniforms. The Sheriff wanted to make sure you didn't quit before ordering any uniforms. One did get a badge and ID. You could carry your own .38 if you wanted...or not.

I could go on but I have probably forgotten more than I can remember. I eventually left law enforcement after about 14 years and went into another line of work. Some of the incentive to make the change was the lousy equipment and poor quality supervisors that I encountered. Not all were like that but it only takes one to get you killed. I did miss it for a while but got over that...Best of luck to all the people still on the job!

9.

YES, YES!! Convoy Blackjack- That was an "Impact Weapon"!
I still have mine. I gave one to each of my five sons and one son-inlaw when they entered L.E.
 
1. Issued first M10 in 1978. While going through the local academy(after being on the job for almost a year) my third issued M10 had the bolt stop break while shooting the final qualification.

2. Given a Oldsmobile Diesel sedan for a marked uniform patrol unit. The engine blew up the first month it was in service. The department bought three of them and the other two went down fairly quickly. Another one had the engine blow and the last one had gas put in it. On top of that, they were so slow that a kid on a tricycle could outrun them and they sounded like a city bus coming down the road.

3. The light bar on one car I was driving caught fire while I was driving to a domestic call one night.

4. Was issued a first generation balistic vest. It was some off brand I never heard of. It was so hot and itchy and so bulky that nobody wore them.

5. Shiny, imitation patent leather duty gear that squeaked and stuck to the plastic car seats and soon started the crack.

6. Given a tiny Chevette to drive one one department and later a Chrysler K Car...What a piece of...Well, you know.

7. Issued a M10 at the same department that the "Chief" had allowed a buddy to chrome plate. I do mean chrome and not nickel. All the issued revolvers had this treatment and all were flaking. Some had the cylinders freeze. I wound up just bringing my 586 to work with the Bianchi Breakfront security holster I bought for it. Nobody seemed to notice or care that I did.

8. Issued a little slapjack for an impact weapon...Just the slapjack.(No, not a blackjack). I bought my own Convoy for my back pocket as well as a baton. Used my 7 cell Kellight most of the time for that purpose.

9. The same department issued exactly 12 rounds of .38 Spl RNL. Speedloaders were forbidden.

10. One department prohibited backup weapons or any kind of pocket knives. I carried both anyway. Most of the other officers on patrol did also.

11. One rural department had new officers work in civilian clothes for a month or so before issuing 2 uniforms. The Sheriff wanted to make sure you didn't quit before ordering any uniforms. One did get a badge and ID. You could carry your own .38 if you wanted...or not.

I could go on but I have probably forgotten more than I can remember. I eventually left law enforcement after about 14 years and went into another line of work. Some of the incentive to make the change was the lousy equipment and poor quality supervisors that I encountered. Not all were like that but it only takes one to get you killed. I did miss it for a while but got over that...Best of luck to all the people still on the job!

9.

In the small agencies in my part of the world, a big help to getting hired was to be the same size of the officer (s) that had left prior. In this way you could be issued their uniforms and equipment.
 
After reading these post, I feel I was on a pretty good department (Anchorage Police Dept.)

When I first hired on I was issued a Model 15, some holster wear but tight. I was told to come back in a couple weeks as they were getting a new shipment of revolvers. I did and traded the 15 for a Model 28. (which I was allowed to keep when I retired, still have it).

Ammo was something else, 158 gr LRN cast and loaded by jail trustees, No thanks, I went home and fired up my reloader and carried 150 gr. LSWCs in 357.

The only complaint I had was when I got into EOD, we had very little equipment.............that is until we got a tech hurt, then "no holds barred" we had an almost unlimted Bomb Squad Budget.

Over all, APD was a first rate department. Not sure now, I've heard some horror stories about how it changed since I retired in '94.
 
My agency ordered hundreds of marked minivans a few years back. If that weren't humiliating enough, the genius who ordered them forgot to have radios installed. They were delivered to offices nationwide and we were told to install radios out of our own budgets. Needless to say, the vans saw very little use.
 
I think policy as well as weapons could be upgraded. I remember distinctly having weapons issued to guards in the Army, but no ammo was allowed - and no bayonets, either. What was a guard supposed to do, yell "Stop, or I'll yell 'stop' again!"?

John
 
1985 six cylinder Ford Fairmont.

Sorry, but I think the K car wins the "worst" argument. Trust me, I was the king of "drove a crappy car" when a teenager. Dad's Lincoln was off-limits to us kids, so I learned to drive in mom's Edsel. By the time I could take the driver's test she had a new Pinto (easier to parallel park than the Edsel) and the first car I bought? Dad wasn't working at the Ford dealer anymore so I bought... a Vega. When the engine exploded I dropped in a V-8. It was a fun car after that! Got 5 tickets in 30 months... goodbye, car.
 
1985 six cylinder Ford Fairmont.

I'll see your Fairmont and raise you one. While everyone else in the Major Crimes Unit in the mid eighties were driving Fairmonts my assigned vehicle (I was the new guy) was an ORANGE Plymouth Horizon. Not a seizure vehicle mind you, some administrator actually ordered it for the unit. Manual transmission, no siren, and a magnetic based, cigarette lighter plug- in "Kojak Light". Kinda adds insult to injury when you're transported to jail in something like that after being popped!
A Fairmont seemed real nice after that!
 
I'll see your Fairmont and raise you one. While everyone else in the Major Crimes Unit in the mid eighties were driving Fairmonts my assigned vehicle (I was the new guy) was an ORANGE Plymouth Horizon. Not a seizure vehicle mind you, some administrator actually ordered it for the unit. Manual transmission, no siren, and a magnetic based, cigarette lighter plug- in "Kojak Light". Kinda adds insult to injury when you're transported to jail in something like that after being popped!
A Fairmont seemed real nice after that!

Now you're gonna make me have to break out the big guns....
When I was interning at a small dept. in Central Florida back in 1979 the city bought 4 cylinder Chevettes for the detectives and, even better, the plain clothes tactical unit. This was during the gas crisis (anyone remember gas lines going around the block?) I was riding with an officer one night when a patrol guy interrupted a burglary in progress, ended up fighting and shooting at the suspect who fled (there was a time when you could shoot at fleeing felons down here). I had to hold the blue tear drop light as the dash wasn't big enough to set it on. The Chevettes had old mechanical sirens installed that were originally on motorcycles. The patrol units driving Malibu's blew us off the road going to that one. That department also tried Fairmonts one year. The chief was driving his down one of the main roads when his driver's door literally fell off. He was not a happy man as he pulled into the PD holding the door against the car frame with his left arm as he drove. That was the last year for Fords at that agency for many years.
 
Worst issued "vehicle" was while with the splendid postal service. I was working for them in S. Cal, and they had these 3 wheeled death traps made by Cusshman that had a glorified cardboard "body" around them. If anything larger than a humming bird hit you, you were toast. You had to dart in and out at every house, carrying the mail that was on a shelf in the thing up to the door, then back, and through the opening to sit down on--- the motor! It brought a whole new meaning to "Broiled flank steaks." And the noise.. you could put someone in one of those things for a couple of hours, and they'd tell you anything you wanted to know. Six hours in and out of one of those things on a summer day in Southern California was the worst. Surprising where the work ethic will take you when you are young...and not so young. Flapjack.
 
Doesn't surprise me at all. An Ofc I did a ride along with, said they loved the speed of the chargers, but it was killing their maint. budget because the front ends would wear out so much quicker than the Crown Vics, so they were going back to them.


damn it, the consumer reports thing shows that the normal version is one of the few good Dodges they make nowadays

so I guess from the sound of that it would be better and cheaper to go with an original one from 72 - 75 with a 318, added all around disc brakes and an upgraded hotchiks suspension for use as a cop car instead of a modern one.

Damning thing is with all of the electronic stuff it would probably last longer and be cheaper to maintain. although the one thing you'd have to worry about is the gas but the 318's with 3:15 gears did produce decient gas mileage back then, hell in that case a duster would probably be a better alternative

actually what about the old 74' monacos like the ones the blues brothers drove? were they any good?
 
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