xtp performace?
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Skip Sackett
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They need AT LEAST that to perform.
I have only used them for target practice and they are extremely accurate. They are usually a little bigger than other jacketed bullets, at least in the 44 caliber version.
I have seen bullets recovered from Lexan that were shot out of a 45ACP with them at 850fps. They did not expand. All they did was plug up with Lexan and not penetrate.
I have seen them blow up water bottles when fired from a carbine though! Pretty impressive. Not sure about how well they expanded as I couldn't recover the bullet!
I have only used them for target practice and they are extremely accurate. They are usually a little bigger than other jacketed bullets, at least in the 44 caliber version.
I have seen bullets recovered from Lexan that were shot out of a 45ACP with them at 850fps. They did not expand. All they did was plug up with Lexan and not penetrate.
I have seen them blow up water bottles when fired from a carbine though! Pretty impressive. Not sure about how well they expanded as I couldn't recover the bullet!
Jack Flash
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My guess is that Hornady recommends a specific range of velocities for best performance for each of their bullets. I don't have a Hornady Manual right in front of me, but that's where I would look. You could also probably get this information from their website. If you don't find it there, e-mail whatever address they provide for technical questions.
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shovelwrench
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I "borrowed" this from Hornady
Operating velocities for XTPs....
Operating velocities for XTPs....
Skip Sackett
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Well,
I was right on a few calibers!
I was right on a few calibers!
Dragon88
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That's a great chart! Thanks for posting.
The XTP is quite a hard bullet compared to others, designed more for penetration instead of expansion. I would never count in it expanding in a subsonic load so I don't carry it for defense. I use quite a few though for target loads. Very accurate and inexpensive.
Hornady is shifting to the FTX design for their defense and hunting loads.
The XTP is quite a hard bullet compared to others, designed more for penetration instead of expansion. I would never count in it expanding in a subsonic load so I don't carry it for defense. I use quite a few though for target loads. Very accurate and inexpensive.
Hornady is shifting to the FTX design for their defense and hunting loads.
David Sinko
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I loaded up a box of 50 of the 250 gr. in the .45 ACP, loaded to .45 Super levels for the 625. I got them going to 975 FPS with excellent accuracy and uniformity. I'm not so sure I trust the chart with this bullet; anything that expands at 800 FPS is likely to grenade at 1600 FPS. Either it was made for a .45 ACP or a .454 Casull. I can't see it working well in both cartridges at both velocities. My first choice was the 250 gr. Gold Dot but I can not find this bullet for sale anywhere.
Dave Sinko
Dave Sinko
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They are some of the most accurate bullets I have ever loaded.
Paul5388
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The .38 cal 180 XTP isn't listed above, but it will deliver 1" groups at 100 yards. That's at about 1650 fps out of a 22" barrel. I haven't shot any critters with it, so I can't say what the expansion, or lack of, would be.
Spotteddog
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shovelwrench
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Glad to be of service
Shot a doe this year. S&W 66, load was 125 grain hornady xtp with 17.7 grains of 2400 with a small rifle primer. Range was 60 yards. Shot went through both shoulders, bullet was recovered on the off side just under the hide. Bullet had expanded to 49 caliber and weighted 114 grains. Gun was a four inch barrel. Doe weighed 90 pounds field dressed. Doe dropped at the shot. I was empressed to say the least.
Skip Sackett
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The wife and I will be testing out a 158gr XTP with a charge of Lil' Gun under it with a Wolf Small Rifle Primer within the next few weeks.
We are going hunting for boar and rams in Oklahoma. See my thread on the trip.
We are going hunting for boar and rams in Oklahoma. See my thread on the trip.
Paul5388
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Skip,
Is that XTP the SP or the HP? I would think the SP would do the job, but the HP may expand too much. However, as you said, hogs aren't that hard to kill.
Is that XTP the SP or the HP? I would think the SP would do the job, but the HP may expand too much. However, as you said, hogs aren't that hard to kill.
Paul5388
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rvn6768,
I'm not surprised at your results. Skip will probably find the same situation with the rams on his hunt.
BTW, welcome to the forum.
I'm not surprised at your results. Skip will probably find the same situation with the rams on his hunt.
BTW, welcome to the forum.
Bear-1
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My Son shot a 4 pt Buck last month, using a TC 50 cal muzzle loader, he was using 240gr XTP in sabots, shot was at 75 yds, small hole going in, small hole coming out, when we opened him up, there was a 6" hole threw all the vitals, that looked like mush, he took one step and died, amazing what that XTP Bullet did, plus that Rifle with the XTP 240 in Sabots is grooping 2" at a hundred yds, i would say thats pretty good perforamce, appears all the energy was expanded in the animal, George.
fredj338
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Regardless of the chart, I have seen very few bullets, even pure LHP, that will expand relaibly much below 800fps. You might get some deformation down to 750fps but I would bet it acts like a solid below that.
shovelwrench
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I got a whitetail this year with a 300gr XTP-mag @1350fps. Passed right through, entrance and exit holes where darn near the same size, entering the neck low in front of the right shoulder, and exiting just to the rear and above the left shoulder ( I shot him uphill). I did'nt butcher myself, but was told the slug rode the spine for a little while.
I wish I had the slug, but like I said, the exit hole sure looked like .45.
Skip Sackett
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The bullet I use for deer is a 44cal 240gr JSP or JHP from either Remington, Sierra or Winchester at about 1750fps. There were 5 folks afield with that load this year and several deer taken.
This bullet was recovered from a 180LB 8 point buck. Shot @ 75 yards or so, entering through the right front shoulder bone(upper leg) through the ribs on the same side, the boiler room, 2 ribs on the left side and came to rest just under the skin there. Here is what it looked like:
I have some pictures of the carcase of the deer but am not going to post them as they are very bloody. This bullet was a JSP and I think it did it's job quite well.
I doubt that the Hornady will perform with this much disfigurement even at the higher velocity. They just seem to be much "harder".
Here is what I "think" will happen with it on the boar. If she places it like she did the 30/06 two years ago, it will most likely turn, take a step or two and fall down flat. I am going to counsel her to make sure she puts another shell in the chamber right away, just in case!
The wife used the Remington 700 last time and before she got told to make sure she had worked the bolt, I heard "kachunck" of the bolt being closed!
On the ram, I think it will do a through and through. I may get the bullet back, maybe not. We will see!
Added: The same type of bullet that took the deer in the aforementioned hunt also took a doe at 135 yards and encountered no substantial bones. Even at that distance, it went through both sides of the animal, slick as a whistle.
This bullet was recovered from a 180LB 8 point buck. Shot @ 75 yards or so, entering through the right front shoulder bone(upper leg) through the ribs on the same side, the boiler room, 2 ribs on the left side and came to rest just under the skin there. Here is what it looked like:
I have some pictures of the carcase of the deer but am not going to post them as they are very bloody. This bullet was a JSP and I think it did it's job quite well.
I doubt that the Hornady will perform with this much disfigurement even at the higher velocity. They just seem to be much "harder".
Here is what I "think" will happen with it on the boar. If she places it like she did the 30/06 two years ago, it will most likely turn, take a step or two and fall down flat. I am going to counsel her to make sure she puts another shell in the chamber right away, just in case!
The wife used the Remington 700 last time and before she got told to make sure she had worked the bolt, I heard "kachunck" of the bolt being closed!
On the ram, I think it will do a through and through. I may get the bullet back, maybe not. We will see!
Added: The same type of bullet that took the deer in the aforementioned hunt also took a doe at 135 yards and encountered no substantial bones. Even at that distance, it went through both sides of the animal, slick as a whistle.
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