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BarbC
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Testing the waters.
In conjunction with the Door-to-Door Search Training, this is how it starts. Get the people used to it, little by little.
In conjunction with the Door-to-Door Search Training, this is how it starts. Get the people used to it, little by little.
I think it is good that there is going to be an inquiry, but I seriously doubt if there is any nefarious agenda to be revealed.
Imagine yourself as a Sheriff or Police Chief in a small, rural jurisdiction. All of a sudden, in less than two hours, you are faced with with multiple crime scenes with multiple murder victims at at least three of them, one involving the family of one of your own Deputies. There is a military base close by, with whom the local community has always had a good relationship. Somebody, local or state, calls the base Provost, or whoever is in charge of MPs, and says, "hey, can you send some of your folks to help us secure these crime scenes until we can get some more state folks on the scene!!"
The pictures and reports I saw showed the MPs guarding a crime scene, a house where several of the victims were, and maybe one group of MPs working traffic.
I don't really believe there is any "conditioning" going on here, at least in this particular event. One tin-foil-hatter on another forum suggested that the government had brainwashed the shooter, and turned him loose on the community just to give the Army the opportunity to send troops, and to give the O administration more ammo to pursue another AWB.
We also had a lively discussion on the Georgia Outdoor News Forum abut the events in Arcadia.
http://forum.gon.com/showthrea...07722&highlight=iowa
I don't think off-base training is anything new for NGUS troops, and not even for Regular Army soldiers. When I was a kid in the 50s and early 60s, we regularly saw convoys of hundreds of vehicles loaded with troops on public roads near Ft. Benning, Georgia. I am sure they were practicing at getting vehicles loaded and soldiers deployed. We didn't think any more about that than we did the weekly window-rattling sonic booms from the jet fighters flying out of Warner Robins AFB. Our farm is located on just about a direct line between the two bases, less than fifty miles from either one as the crow flies.
I am saddened to see so many Americans who now consider our military people to be the enemy. I hope there isn't a good reason for them to think that.
Imagine yourself as a Sheriff or Police Chief in a small, rural jurisdiction. All of a sudden, in less than two hours, you are faced with with multiple crime scenes with multiple murder victims at at least three of them, one involving the family of one of your own Deputies. There is a military base close by, with whom the local community has always had a good relationship. Somebody, local or state, calls the base Provost, or whoever is in charge of MPs, and says, "hey, can you send some of your folks to help us secure these crime scenes until we can get some more state folks on the scene!!"
The pictures and reports I saw showed the MPs guarding a crime scene, a house where several of the victims were, and maybe one group of MPs working traffic.
I don't really believe there is any "conditioning" going on here, at least in this particular event. One tin-foil-hatter on another forum suggested that the government had brainwashed the shooter, and turned him loose on the community just to give the Army the opportunity to send troops, and to give the O administration more ammo to pursue another AWB.
We also had a lively discussion on the Georgia Outdoor News Forum abut the events in Arcadia.
http://forum.gon.com/showthrea...07722&highlight=iowa
I don't think off-base training is anything new for NGUS troops, and not even for Regular Army soldiers. When I was a kid in the 50s and early 60s, we regularly saw convoys of hundreds of vehicles loaded with troops on public roads near Ft. Benning, Georgia. I am sure they were practicing at getting vehicles loaded and soldiers deployed. We didn't think any more about that than we did the weekly window-rattling sonic booms from the jet fighters flying out of Warner Robins AFB. Our farm is located on just about a direct line between the two bases, less than fifty miles from either one as the crow flies.
I am saddened to see so many Americans who now consider our military people to be the enemy. I hope there isn't a good reason for them to think that.
7003006
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The founding fathers considered a standing army a huge threat.
This was probably done as a request by the local agencies. Now, was it a good call? I don't know. I can tell you from personal experience that if you have an emergency incident and all of your resources have been expended that you will beg borrow and steal whatever or whomever you need to get things handled to do the job at hand. However, I do know that Ft. Rucker has always been very involved in the local community in many ways besides this law enforcement instance that occurred here. I can't call on one hand the number of times the Ft. Rucker fire dept. has assisted other area FD's with incidents that were too big to be handled by one agency. They never dispatch unless a mutual aide response is formally put in.
Ft. Rucker had always been very involved in community charity efforts and assistance to citizens that have suffered life changing disasters. Several years back when a couple of small towns flooded and destroyed all but a handful of buildings, Ft. Rucker sent in soldiers to assist with cleanup and restoration of the area. I can give one instance where soldiers came into my own Grandparents home and helped with painting and cleaning up their home after it had seven feet of water in it.
Now, could this tie in with the theory BarbC inmplied? Maybe, I'm not stupid. But it's nothing unusual in this area.
Ft. Rucker had always been very involved in community charity efforts and assistance to citizens that have suffered life changing disasters. Several years back when a couple of small towns flooded and destroyed all but a handful of buildings, Ft. Rucker sent in soldiers to assist with cleanup and restoration of the area. I can give one instance where soldiers came into my own Grandparents home and helped with painting and cleaning up their home after it had seven feet of water in it.
Now, could this tie in with the theory BarbC inmplied? Maybe, I'm not stupid. But it's nothing unusual in this area.
Alpo
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According to the article that was linked, they weren't MPs. They were regular troops. >Update: The Army acknowledges that regular troops were dispatched to Samson, and says an inquiry is under way< Bottom of the article. http://www.examiner.com/x-536-...ts-of-Samson-Alabama
Quoted from the link in the OP:
On the Tenth of March, after a report of the apparent mass murder in Samson, <span class="ev_code_RED">22 military police</span> soldiers from Fort Rucker, along with the Fort Rucker Provost Martial, were sent to the city of Samson
Lifted from a CNSN news article:
http://cnsnews.com/public/cont...le.aspx?RsrcID=45206
Jim Stromenger, a dispatcher at the Samson Police Department, confirmed the MP's presence in the town, telling CNSNews.com that the troops "came in to help with traffic control and to secure the crime scene"--and the department was glad for the help.
"We've been getting a lot of calls," Stromenger said. "They weren't here to police, let me make that clear. They were here to help with traffic and to control the crime scene--so people wouldn't trample all over (it)."
Stromenger said the town needed help--calls had gone out to all police departments in the area.
"We only have a five-man police department," he told CNSNews.com. "We had officers from all surrounding areas helping out. There were a lot of streets to be blocked off and there had to be someone physically there to block them off. That's what these MPs were doing. I don't think they were even armed. The troops helped keep nosy people away."
But Stromenger said it wasn't the Samson Police Department that called for the troops.
"I don't know who called Fort Rucker. But someone did. They wouldn't have been able to come if someone hadn't," he added.
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I hope some well-meaning Police Officer or Army Captain or Major doesn't get reprimanded or lose his/her job over doing something that is technically illegal, but seemed entirely to be a quick, common sense solution to a huge problem at the time.
http://cnsnews.com/public/cont...le.aspx?RsrcID=45206
Jim Stromenger, a dispatcher at the Samson Police Department, confirmed the MP's presence in the town, telling CNSNews.com that the troops "came in to help with traffic control and to secure the crime scene"--and the department was glad for the help.
"We've been getting a lot of calls," Stromenger said. "They weren't here to police, let me make that clear. They were here to help with traffic and to control the crime scene--so people wouldn't trample all over (it)."
Stromenger said the town needed help--calls had gone out to all police departments in the area.
"We only have a five-man police department," he told CNSNews.com. "We had officers from all surrounding areas helping out. There were a lot of streets to be blocked off and there had to be someone physically there to block them off. That's what these MPs were doing. I don't think they were even armed. The troops helped keep nosy people away."
But Stromenger said it wasn't the Samson Police Department that called for the troops.
"I don't know who called Fort Rucker. But someone did. They wouldn't have been able to come if someone hadn't," he added.
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I hope some well-meaning Police Officer or Army Captain or Major doesn't get reprimanded or lose his/her job over doing something that is technically illegal, but seemed entirely to be a quick, common sense solution to a huge problem at the time.
nicky4968
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Huerfano County and Las Animas County in Colorado were occupied by Federal troops from 1914 to 1927, and 1928 to 1946. This was part of the deal made with the miners, who had taken Trinidad, Walsenburg, La Veta, and Pueblo, Colorado away from the Colorado National Guard and wouldn't give them back. (Mother Jones' train of armed miners was stopped somwhere near St. Louis at the time).
President Wilson asked if the miners would surrender to Federal troops. They said they would and they did. Others have written about this, and I'm sure it's available on the 'net. I lived and worked down there for a while and the events of those days has an effect on the locals to this day. (As does the Mexican War and the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo).
My stepmother's father was in the 1914 strike when the Guard opened up on the tent city in Ludlow. He was 10 years old and got a machine gun bullet through his hat. Had he been 11 years old, I would never have met my stepmother.
President Wilson asked if the miners would surrender to Federal troops. They said they would and they did. Others have written about this, and I'm sure it's available on the 'net. I lived and worked down there for a while and the events of those days has an effect on the locals to this day. (As does the Mexican War and the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo).
My stepmother's father was in the 1914 strike when the Guard opened up on the tent city in Ludlow. He was 10 years old and got a machine gun bullet through his hat. Had he been 11 years old, I would never have met my stepmother.
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