Does any company offer a youth size single shot .410 shotgun ?
Youth Model .410
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cballman
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I dont right off the top of my head about a 410 but I have a Stoeger 20 gauge over and under and I have seen a Remington 870 in youth. Dont know if anyone stock these for sale. I had to special order the Stoeger. It took about 6 months to arrive. Had to come from the factory. The person I orderd it from said his distributor had to order it cause there was none in their supply chain. Good luck finding a 410 model.
You don't want one!!!!! The 410 is not a good starter for a youth. There is not enough shot or pattern. It is strictly an expert's gun. My dad started me with a 410 and I got so frustrated I almost quit.
The 20 gauge is much better and can last a youth a lifetime. I would also recommend that you stay away from single shots as most are horribly stocked. They are hard to aim and the recoil is worse. The older Winchester 37's are an exception.
See if you can't find a pump 20 gauge. Get a long dowel rod and plug it so it is a single shot. As the person gets older, you can make it a repeater.
The 20 gauge is much better and can last a youth a lifetime. I would also recommend that you stay away from single shots as most are horribly stocked. They are hard to aim and the recoil is worse. The older Winchester 37's are an exception.
See if you can't find a pump 20 gauge. Get a long dowel rod and plug it so it is a single shot. As the person gets older, you can make it a repeater.
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410's are experts' guns.
Don't handicap a new shotgun shooter with one
Get a 20ga.
Don't handicap a new shotgun shooter with one
Get a 20ga.
Bought a Rossi combo youth for my Grandson at a gun show three years ago. Came with a carry case, 410 barrel full choke and a 22 LR barrel. It's his favorite squirrel rig, uses the 410 early season when there are still leaves on the trees, then switches to the 22 after the leaves have fallen. I think it was about $200.00 with a couple boxes of shells thrown in. Nice little take down rig. When he outgrows it his younger brother will take over.
cyphertext
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Agree with those who say to avoid the .410 for a youth who is starting out if you are doing wing shooting, or clays. If they can't handle a 20 gauge, look to get a 28 gauge.
Remington 870 20ga, youth model, great overall gun and can have a slug barrel also. I deer hunted with one for years.
Good grief, I hope the OP will ignore all the anti .410 expert opinions. Some of my fondest memories are taking my son squirrel hunting with his .410, and shooting cans in the back yard. And now he will do the same with his sons, with the same single shot .410 when their old enough to carry it and be taught proper gun handling. And they to will be hooked for life, and eager to get bigger and better guns as time goes on.
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elpac3
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Love the .410, have two of them but they are a gun for an experienced shooter. THe .410 shoots morer like a rifle than a shotgun, pretty small shot load so precision is paramount.
I did grow up in the era of the .410 as a "Starter gun" because of recoil. You might be better off considering a 28 g. as a starter gun.
I have two youth single shot 410 shotguns, including a Rossi combo with a .22. I have had them for over 20 years and use them frequently. They are an excellent introduction to shotgunning those for youth and for people unfamiliar with shotguns.
It is the next step up from shooting a .22. It introduces recoil and the spread of shot compared to a bullet. First I have these relatively new shooters hit stationary clay targets on the ground. I find they can hit hand thrown clays thrown up and straight out from them often enough to enjoy it. I use light loads.
I had one of them cut back 2" on the barrel to eliminate the choke. I also shortened the stock about an inch and then added a nice soft recoil pad. This is the true starter shotgun for kids.
When an individual is comfortable with the 410, I transition them to a 28 gauge over/under, and then a 20 gauge. I view the 410 as a transition gun, not an end-all be-all gun. I have had dozens of scouts, about 20 grandchildren and friends, and half dozen ladies follow this path. I expect many more to do the same.
To answer the OP, my first SS .410 cost $89 from Walmart. It was made by New England Firearms, but that has been absorbed by H&R. It is the Pardner (compact) model. It is available from a few on-line retailers and perhaps locally. Mine has a nice case hardened receiver and good wood.
The Rossi Combo is available also. I might get the .22 WMR barrel rather than the 22 LR.
Mossberg has a range of .410 pumps, including the 510 Mini Super Bantam with stock spacers.
Lots of choices. I recommend the Federal Top Gun 2.5" #9 loads for beginners. Walmart had some a few weeks ago for under $10/box.
It is the next step up from shooting a .22. It introduces recoil and the spread of shot compared to a bullet. First I have these relatively new shooters hit stationary clay targets on the ground. I find they can hit hand thrown clays thrown up and straight out from them often enough to enjoy it. I use light loads.
I had one of them cut back 2" on the barrel to eliminate the choke. I also shortened the stock about an inch and then added a nice soft recoil pad. This is the true starter shotgun for kids.
When an individual is comfortable with the 410, I transition them to a 28 gauge over/under, and then a 20 gauge. I view the 410 as a transition gun, not an end-all be-all gun. I have had dozens of scouts, about 20 grandchildren and friends, and half dozen ladies follow this path. I expect many more to do the same.
To answer the OP, my first SS .410 cost $89 from Walmart. It was made by New England Firearms, but that has been absorbed by H&R. It is the Pardner (compact) model. It is available from a few on-line retailers and perhaps locally. Mine has a nice case hardened receiver and good wood.
The Rossi Combo is available also. I might get the .22 WMR barrel rather than the 22 LR.
Mossberg has a range of .410 pumps, including the 510 Mini Super Bantam with stock spacers.
Lots of choices. I recommend the Federal Top Gun 2.5" #9 loads for beginners. Walmart had some a few weeks ago for under $10/box.
a single shot 410 is a great way to teach patience and disciplined shooting.. Rossi 22/410 package is a good suggestion... I started with my paternal grandfathers H&R Topper 410.. graduated to maternal grandfathers Stevens O/U 410.. double hammers & triggers... developed a new talent managing that one... and a love for O/U shotguns...
too many 20 guage shells try to act like 12 guage and are abusive to new & smaller shooters... plenty of time for the bigger stuff later... when they earn it... stick with your first thought on this... 410
too many 20 guage shells try to act like 12 guage and are abusive to new & smaller shooters... plenty of time for the bigger stuff later... when they earn it... stick with your first thought on this... 410
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A .410 is a great way to teach a child to deal with disappointment.
There are several small 410s on market. One is advertised at $99. I think
Walmart has them. Good older single shots in top shape go for twice that.
410 not be best shotgun in world but they get under rated like 30/30s. My wife killed her first 3 deer with a 410. A local uses a 410 single for Turkey just to aggravate the Cabala Commando that show up with 10g autos.
Walmart has them. Good older single shots in top shape go for twice that.
410 not be best shotgun in world but they get under rated like 30/30s. My wife killed her first 3 deer with a 410. A local uses a 410 single for Turkey just to aggravate the Cabala Commando that show up with 10g autos.
max503
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I'm torn on the advice. I got a 410 for my 12th birthday back in 67. Still got it. Still love it. If it's for rabbits and squirrels the 410 is tops. Any wingshooting and I would get the kid a 20.
That's probably good advice. An old skeet and trap shooting friend once told me to not let a kit shoot a 410. He said they'd get frustrated when they couldn't hit anything and give up. He said he never let his boys start shooting until they could handle at least a 20 gauge. My dad bought me a cheap 410 single barrel, but after about a month, sold it and gave me one of his 12 gauges.
A .410 is an experts gun on moving targets but for a kid to shoot stationary targets it's an excellent gun. Set clay targets, dirt clods, and tin cans on fence posts and a .410 will kill them like a 10 ga.
There's not a good reason to buy a 20 ga. because of low recoil. Winchester makes a very good 12 ga., low recoil, low noise shell that doesn't have any more recoil than a 20 ga. and when the kid gets bigger he can start shooting regular shells. Larry
There's not a good reason to buy a 20 ga. because of low recoil. Winchester makes a very good 12 ga., low recoil, low noise shell that doesn't have any more recoil than a 20 ga. and when the kid gets bigger he can start shooting regular shells. Larry
Aggie1906
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Rossi makes, or did a few years back, a .22lr and 20ga combo. Nothing special, and a bit weird. .20 ga is a bunch cheaper to shoot. A friend has one. I think the stock is shorter too.
Rossi makes, or did a few years back, a .22lr and 20ga combo. Nothing special, and a bit weird. .20 ga is a bunch cheaper to shoot. A friend has one. I think the stock is shorter too.
ggibson511960
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Choke Determines Pattern Size
Since you asked for a recommendation for a .410 ga., you should stick with it. Several generations of shot gun experts, including Bob Brister, have confirmed that choke, not gauge, determines pattern size. What does this mean? All gauges throw shot at 1,200 feet per second, so any given pellet will kill just as well, no matter what gauge launched it. With longer shot columns smaller gauges tend to spread patterns a little more quickly. I can vouch that with equal chokes a .410 pattern is slightly larger than a 12 gauge pattern at 10 yards where most quail flush over dogs. A light, fast handling .410 is chain blue lightning at short range. With young quick reflexes and sharp eyes, your youngster might surprise a few seasoned old hands that say a .410 is no good for wingshooting. Don't pass shoot ducks or geese with a .410 as there's not enough shot to fill a pattern past 25 yards or so.
Since you asked for a recommendation for a .410 ga., you should stick with it. Several generations of shot gun experts, including Bob Brister, have confirmed that choke, not gauge, determines pattern size. What does this mean? All gauges throw shot at 1,200 feet per second, so any given pellet will kill just as well, no matter what gauge launched it. With longer shot columns smaller gauges tend to spread patterns a little more quickly. I can vouch that with equal chokes a .410 pattern is slightly larger than a 12 gauge pattern at 10 yards where most quail flush over dogs. A light, fast handling .410 is chain blue lightning at short range. With young quick reflexes and sharp eyes, your youngster might surprise a few seasoned old hands that say a .410 is no good for wingshooting. Don't pass shoot ducks or geese with a .410 as there's not enough shot to fill a pattern past 25 yards or so.
