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Webley .38 stamped RCMP
This is more of a fact finding mission at this point early on in researching a Webley, that I in all honesty have not seen in person but is said to exist. An acquaintance's father is starting to offload his collection and has a RCMP stamped frame Webley in .38. I see in research that they did use one in .455 but see no mention any where of using a .38 version. Has any one here heard of, owned one, or seen mention of one in research?
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No, and I have a book about RCMP firearms.
However, they did take over and incorporate some local forces and got non-standard guns that way,
With no picture it'd be very hard to authenticate one.
Toronto police def. did have some MK IV Webley .38's.
I think they usually mark guns with a connected MP, not as RCMP. But that may not be correct.
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No, and I have a book about RCMP firearms.
However, they did take over and incorporate some local forces and got non-standard guns that way,
With no picture it'd be very hard to authenticate one.
Toronto police def. did have some MK IV Webley .38's.
I think they usually mark guns with a connected MP, not as RCMP. But that may not be correct.
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Thanks for the quick response. I did see that Toronto Police did use the MK VI as well. I am working on getting more info and pics.
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Sergeant Preston's sidearm?
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12-18-2019, 05:43 PM
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Sergeant Preston's sidearm?
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I think I recall him using a Webley MK IV or V .455 on that show.
But it wasn't real RCMP issued. But a real Sgt. Preston might have provided his own gun. I think they once allowed that.
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Thanks for the quick response. I did see that Toronto Police did use the MK VI as well. I am working on getting more info and pics.
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I didn't say that Toronto used the MK VI! That's a military series .455!
The MK IV used was numbered in their commercial .38 series.
NOT the same as the military MK IV .455.
Your best basic bet is to order a copy of, The Handgun, Geoffrey Boothroyd, Crown Publishers, 1970.
If your interest intensifies, look for a less common copy of, The Webley Story, by Wm. Dowell.
But the Boothroyd book will probably answer 97.2% of all Webley questions that you have.
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Several Eastern Canadian agencies ordered and used 4“ variants of the .38 Mark IV after WW II until the early 1960s.
I have one shipped in 1951 to the Ontario Provincial Police, factory-stamped OPP. As mentioned, Toronto (TPF) and also Montreal police issued these. But I‘ve never come across any mentioned in connection with the RCMP.
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Here is the one picture I received over the Holidays. I asked for many pictures of the complete gun...and this is all I received. he said there were no other markings or stamps anywhere on the gun. Sorry all, hopefully it makes sense to someone.
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The unsatisfactory photos alone make me cautious about this gun.
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This is the original sent that would not load earlier, but again. I really am not seeing this as what it is being described as.
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I've no idea how much the owner is asking but a few months ago I bought a Mk IV in similar condition for under $200. But I was buying the gun, not the story.
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This is the original sent that would not load earlier, but again. I really am not seeing this as what it is being described as.
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You are dealing with a fraud or with someone VERY ignorant of Webley revolvers.
The photo is prob. a Webley-Kaufman or a Webley-Pryse dating from the 1880's, or a Belgian copy.
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Indeed. I‘m fairly certain that the crown-over-R is a Liege proof mark.
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You are dealing with a fraud or with someone VERY ignorant of Webley revolvers.
The photo is prob. a Webley-Kaufman or a Webley-Pryse dating from the 1880's, or a Belgian copy.
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I believe it is the latter, a gentleman that see’s a hallmark or proof for what it isn’t and has convinced himself of it.
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