Long time lurker here. Long time Smith owner. What was the purpose of releasing a firearm at the first of the year, yet no way to purchase extra magazines? The M&P 10mm was marketed as a Duty/CCW firearm. I don’t know any serous person who CCW or for a job that will field a weapon with only 2 magazines. SW in my opinion has given the finger to their customers.

I have called SW every week for 2 months. No mags. No idea when mags will be available. I like smith guns bad the 10mm. Not this much. Thinking on selling / trading mine. Was hoping the M&P 10mm would be the best 10 to come along in a while. Seems I was hoping too much

Welcome to the Forum BattleMonkey

Sorry you feel SCREWED

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"Acta non verba"

For years professional's carried a revolver with only two speed loader's.

You do have a point and I think we've discussed this before. This situation of no ammo, no components, no new guns and no magazines is pretty common and has been for awhile now. It just isn't unique to S&W. If you do find what you're looking for it's going to cost you at least 20-30% more than it did before the troubles started.

S&W has to rely on their supplier Mec-Gar for their magazines. My guess is Mec-Gar has been working at capacity for awhile now because they make mags for lots of different mfr's.

Not related but sort of. I read that Ford has 30K vehicles built and waiting on micro processors. I honestly don't think S&W saw this coming. I know most everyone that manufactures anything never anticipated the chaos.

By the way;

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That's just somebody talkin.

I'll give you $50 bucks for that junk pistol.

I can understand being frustrated not being able to find more mags, but frankly I know those who couldn't get mags for guns that have been out for some years. Or if they did find them they paid a hefty premium.
Covid closures, supply chain issues, staffing (or lack of) and any number of things have made products difficult to get. Which we all know far too well.
Point being yes it may not be the desired plan to wait to get more mags but I highly doubt that SW “screwed” their customers. This period we are in is not the same it was a couple years ago…..
Just my .02

Welcome from northeast ohio. Do you at least enjoy shooting it with the two mags it came with? My experience with 10mm is pretty limited, but I love my m&p 10mm

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Last year it was Shield Plus customers that had problems getting extra magazines. It took a few months before they were widely available but they did eventually start showing up.

Those of us that buy extra magazines are a small subset of those that buy guns. Reading gun forums you get the impression that most gun owners carry and most people that carry have a spare magazine or two on them. Neither is true. The big majority of gun owners don't consider extra magazines a necessity. Given a choice between selling a lot of guns with two magazines or a few guns with a lot of magazines I don't blame S&W for choosing to sell more guns.

It is odd that magazines would be a gating item. They seem simple but I have seen a lot of unreliable aftermarket magazines. I would much rather S&W wait for quality magazines from a company like MecGar than see them start subcontracting with ProMag.

We must have been seeing different marketing for the M&P 10mm. I thought it was being marketed as a good pistol to carry in the woods where bears are common than a CCW/duty gun.

my issue is that with the looming Washington normal capacity magazine ban, if I don't get extra normal capacity magazines in the next 3 weeks, I'll never get them, unless the ban is struck down. I'll be stuck with neutered 10 round magazines, at some nebulous point in the future.

Welcome.

Wow, that's unfortunate and I understand the urgency in your case.

I used to say how things like that could never happen in Georgia but recently I am not so sure. Things have changed a lot in the 30 years I have lived here and in many ways not for the better.

Sorry to hear that, how much do you want for it ?

If you truly have been a long time lurker here, then you must have seen all the Shield and Shield Plus threads discussing 'no spare mags' and have known the history of it taking up to 6 Months for new model accessories to show up (especially spare mags), even when they wait until the 2nd Quarter to release a new model.

Most of the long time owners here understand that being the '1st kid on the block' to run out and get a new model, will mean waiting several Months for the accessories to show up. It took over 6 Months for original Shield mags to show up (back in 2012) and almost the same length of time for Shield Plus mags last Year.

The only way to avoid not having spare mags, is to go into the LGS and say 'I want to buy this pistol and some spare mags'. When they say 'there are no spare mags for this brand new model', wait to buy that pistol.

2 is usually enough for most. They will be available in time if you need 15. However the gun and 15 magazines will pull your pants down unless you have REALLY GOOD suspenders.

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Wouldn't be the first time someone bought a "spare" gun just to get the magazines. Then, when mags become available, sell the "spare" with the new mags (even if they are 10 round).

Quite a bit of money up front, but you won't have to wait 19 years for "Freedom Week".

No extra magazines for NEW guns is a deal breaker for me. I also wait at least a year before buying a new model to give a chance for customer (forums) reports and manufacturing defects / recalls. But I do understand the excitement of buying a new model when it first comes out.

BattleMonkey I fail to see a reason for selling your gun. It is now a used gun and 10mm is a niche cartridge. I like to have a bunch of extra magazines for my guns so I understand why you are flustered. As the gun has only been out since January I personally would keep it and wait for the magazines to become available rather than sell the gun at a loss (unless of course you come out ahead).

This is nothing new, been going on for many years. Happened to me when I bought a newly released HK P7M10 for my duty pistol back in the early 90's. Like the new M&P 10mm, it came with only 1 spare mag. Took months before they became available.

The words NY Reload come to mind if you realy feel that you do not have enough firepower.

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I agree with BattleMonkey's post. I knew there would be a delay in magazines when I bought the M&P 10mm, BUT did not expect it to be this long. Really like the gun except for 2 things, the lack of extra magazines and no options for the tall sights. I do not intend to put optics on it or any of my pistols, but with the cut of the rear sight there are NO options available from S&W or the aftermarket.

I have been able to find magazines for every one of my recent purchases except for the M&P 10mm, and yes some of them were new releases.

30 years ago when Glock 20 mags were unobtanium, I resorted to purchasing additional pistols just for the mags.

10mm mags have a mysteriously sorted history - be it from Bren, S&W or Glock. Ask me about my Megastar 10mm mag quest...

Only to make 10mm nuts more nutty...

Hopefully soon you'll be able to pick em up by the gross!

You have one post. You joined this forum just to complain and then run away . Of course stirring the pot fot you lots of responses. I wonder if you are a bot?

Welcome from the area of Area 51.
Try finding Sig 365XL 15 round mags in stores

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no one actually carries the 10mm for duty that's why. it's kind of a meme cartridge

Oh goodie, another newbie that doesn’t understand new firearms releases.

Patience, young grasshopper.

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OP is lucky he didn’t get bit by the 3rd gen bug. Those mags are out there but most are pretty salty.

I was disapointed when I couldn't get mags for my new CSX. (I consider the 10 round one to be pretty much useless.) But I waited a few months and sure enough, they're out there now. They're not cheap, but they're out there. Mine are on the way and should be here Monday.

Hope you can find ones for your gun soon.

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Thinking about this, in the last decade or so, when I have bought the latest firearm that had a new magazine, it has taken at least 6 months for spares to become commonly available, and closer to 12 to have the price of the things come down to what it should be (,except for the Sig's, where the price of factory mags just never comes down.)

The worst case on this was probably the Hellcat I got in 2020, where all I had was the 11 and 13 it shipped with, and it took over a year to get additional 13's. I wasn't happy at first, but then realized I had 25 rounds to carry around with 11+13+1, around double the 6+6+1 I carried for a decade or two with the Officers ACP, and matched the P365 with it's 2 12 round mags. A second 13 round to replace the 11 for the Springfield would only bring it up to 27, not much of a difference in a situation where I would need 20+ rounds.

When it comes to LEO, have not asked my friends who work the job, but pretty sure they get what they need for their jobs when buying through whatever program they have for work, a manufacturer is going to take care of the "guaranteed" repeat customer, and one that buys in bulk. Not being LEO's, we're kind of on our own on this, but I'm okay with them being first in line on something like this, a lot more likely they will need to 20+ rounds available than I ever will.

I thought the M&P10mm uses the CORE rear sight cut, and there are aftermarket sights available for CORE pistols?

Well... is dia wrong? The OP has still not logged in to write a 2nd post in ANY of the forums.

To all those who ran right out and bought the 10mm...
Welcome To The 'Double Secret Probation' Beta Test Group.
(If you are too young to remember the term Double Secret Probation, google it.)

Maybe I’m different from the average gun buyer, but when I buy a new gun I plan from day one to shoot it a fairly significant amount before I carry it or hunt with it or set it in the nightstand.

Rarely am I a new adopter, but I was on the M&P 10mm fur yonoerdinsl interest.

An extra bag or two would be certainly be handy, I still have sone shooting to do before the M&P 10 could bake it into carry use. So I’m okay to wait for a while to score extra mags.

Ultimately, with supply chain issues as well as normal roll out snafus, imif not immediately having bags was going to push up my blood pressure I would have passed. For sone things, no amount of complaining will be productive or useful.

There have been some good points made above. Particularly on the number of folks who want a bucket of mags with a new gun. Let's look at this from the perspective of the company-you know the folks that make the product and have to make a profit to stay in business.

My former employer jumped on the 10 mm band wagon in 1992. Come 9/11 when we had to significantly add personnel, the 1000 series handguns were no longer in production. We ended up buying 4000 series pistols for new hires. A few years later, we couldn't find enough 10 mm ammunition to continue using the 1000 series. We ended up buying everyone M&Ps.

Now, 30 odd years later, someone convinces management they need another 10 mm in the product line. So, they run the numbers, do prototypes and then let a contract for magazines for a limited production run. [The contract will have an agreement to produce additional lots of magazines with a specified minimum order. But, the supplier isn't gonna halt their current production schedule of continuous orders to jump on the minimum order. They've gotta stay in business too.]

I've no idea how many 1000 series pistols & magazines were produced, or how S&W did financially from the experience. But I expect there's a definite "wait and see if there's a significant market" attitude in addition to supply chain issues on magazines.

Me too. The jury is still out. I guess we have different expectations and it looks like Battlemonkey would probably be better off selling his M&P 10mm if this magazine thing is causing him a lot of stress.

Some further thoughts on this. My opinion is if 15-round pistol magazines are the subject of new restrictive legislation, owning a bunch of them will be of little actual value - unless you take pleasure in just looking at them. Owning something that cannot legally be used is an asset of questionable value.

Grandfathering of ownership, and certainly use, does not appear to be on the agenda of the current anti-gun crowd. Have you heard the words, “confiscate,” and, “Yes, we are going to take…”? There are bigger things to be concerned with right now than a few extra magazines. Sell the gun. JMHO.

You guys in WA are really up against the proverbial rock and a hard place with the slow magazine roll out. I don't really know if there is a good solution for WA owners.

Personally, I already have most of the older proven guns that I want in my collection, I bought them when they were new

For LEO, it's more about the introduction of a new capability in something new to solve a problem, something that they don't really have the time to wait on. Of course by doing things this way they are relying on the reputation of the manufacturer, and trusting them to put out a good product.

Same thing happened with the Shield Plus. They will start showing up pretty soon. With the Plus some of the gun shops in restrictive magazine capacity areas started putting them on GB . Maybe you can find some extras there. Good luck!

Except when 2 is all you will ever be allowed to have, ever. They do wear out. Then you have 1, and eventually none. I should be able to buy neutered 10 rounders, someday, maybe.

Great response. When I joined my local PD in 1983, I felt more than prepared with 18 rounds. Funny how folks now feel so unprepared with 31.

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Well, the threat on the street has multiplied….bad guys abound and are armed to the hilt…..it is not 1983 out there. Very different scenarios now days when flash mobs can materialize in just seconds on the street and surround your vehicle…..

In fairness, the need for LE to have greater capacity is driven by the "criminal community" running around with a hundred rounds on tap. I don't want my local deputies rolling up on a traffic stop with a 6 shooter and 2 speed loaders any more.

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I can never find my 10mm wrenches either.

I purchased a new CSX back the beginning of January even after reading all the reports of no extra mags available. I used the time to accustom myself to it, dry firing and at the range, disassembly & assembly, but not every day carry, which worked out well, about the time I got familiar with the CSX the mags became available. I would have been okay if it took another 6 months to get the mags, just enjoyed seeing and testing a new pistol from S&W. About the time the mags showed up, my favorite holster manufacturers got in the CSX game also, so in the final analysis a bit of a delay was probably a good thing.

I got impatient with S&W once a few years back, but I got over it. I have had more positive experiences than negative with S&W.

I guess it is all just part of accepting that we live in a less than perfect world.

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One perp thoroughly juiced on crack, PCP, meth, or whatever they brew up next is my major concern. Guess I'll keep up the Mozambique routine practice.

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OP is in Washington State. And even if two magazines are enough to carry he needs replacements for the rest of the years he lives there. When a mag wears out, gets damaged, gets lost, he can’t simply buy another one. He can’t buy one after July 1st.

Suppose I need to send the pistol to S&W for a defect? I can't send the mags, because that's transporting them, and Smith couldn't send them back anyway.

Or if just the mag is defective. Then the warranty is useless.

People don't think about these details. I do.

I didn't see anything about not being able to transport magazines for repair. Transferring ownership, selling are illegal. But having them transported back to there owner is not the same as transferring them.

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Smith has already confirmed that after July 1, they will not ship a magazine over 10 rounds into Washington State unless to a military or law enforcement purchaser.

Food right!!

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How many of these 10mm owners are brand new cherry handgun owners ?? Is it very few ?? Well wake the heck up and know when you buy the latest hot new got a have handgun your going to be dealing with shortages of small parts and mags and many new handguns today seem to have some growing pains as far as being reliable do to owner screw up failing to clean and lube a new handgun properly if at all like some you tube guys did not do and whinned about there problems and then there ammo that may not run well in a new handgun if at all do to ammo qc issues . If you going to be one of those got'a have guy's wake up and understand you maybe a beta tester too .

I put off buying a new to the market handgun for my wife when she wanted a p365xl . I said nope , wait for the beta tester crowd to sort out any problems and for sig to get enough parts , mags included so when a new handgun is purchased you have everything you need to maintain and enjoy new to the market firearm !! Two years later my wife has her p365xl and loves it with 3 extra 12 mags and 2 extra 15 rounders that were ordered with the handgun . Good LGS took care of the extra mags I all ready had the parts kit .

Now one guy asked like its a scary situation - bad guys abound and are armed to the hilt- So What ?? If a 10mm is your only handgun shame on you for starting with a new to the market anything . I will carry my a double stack full size 40sw with a stock 15 mag and when on the road or in the big city1 or plus 5 mags as back up on me perhaps more in the vehicle but normally in the rural country side I carry a le commander in 45 and 2 extra 10 round mags .

Wake up 10mm fan boys , Its not like the 10mm is all that as a self defense option but since you own a new m&p 10mm your better off dealing with your purchase like an adult not some whiny child .

Now go get some range time with a 9mm , 40sw or a 45 as one should have one of those or a few others you can carry . Not much wrong with some 9mm hp ammo like when the bullets are hst , or ranger t series or barnes tac-xpd specially if you shoot it very well and handle stress just as well .

I know in the 10mm, this may be an issue. But as for other S&W guns, can't recall every wearing a magazine out. Have had to replace springs and maybe a follower, but never the mag body. Also, I have never ran across a defective factory mag. I have had some aftermarket mags that didn't work.

Rosewood

An owner is allowed to take out of state a magazine they possessed in Washington before July 1st and bring it back into Washington after July 1st, but there is no provision allowing for a pre-July 1st possessor to buy a replacement magazine and have it sent to them. Many people will choose to do so anyway, but I am not in charge of anyone else’s decisions.

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