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18DAI said:
Folks can say what they will about Tompkins ownership of S&W. At least when Tompkins owned it they made good looking guns with great triggers that you didn't have to rebuild with Apex parts after purchase, just to give the gun everything the factory couldn't be bothered to.

As far as I'm concerned s&w went out of business in 2001. YMMV. Regards 18DAI
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Oh man 18DAI! :eek: Controversial S&W statement of the day! :D

Since I was still in my 25-year "deep sleep" at the time, I can only comment looking at it back from today... but my opinion is that someone had to save S&W from the Brits before they just shut it all down and went back home for afternoon tea! ;)

Yes, Saf-T-Hammer came in with some pretty weird ideas and we live with that legacy today. I will never buy a S&W revolver with an IL as long as I live and you can take that to the bank... and I'm certainly no fan of the abandonment of S&W's all-metal semi-auto pistol line for plastic (I don't count the 1911's).

But someone had to do it. Someone had to come in to save the company. And my feeling is that it could have turned out a whole lot worse. :o

The various modern incarnations of S&W have made their mistakes and had their disappointments. All of them. There is a lot not to like. But there is a lot to like too. Perhaps the next incarnation will be better than the current one, but I probably won't be around to see it. I think that current management is going to hang on at least long enough to see me pushing up daisies. :p
 
".....But there is a lot to like too...." Really? Please name one model. ;)

The m&p with its great accuracy? The bodyguard with its great trigger? The 1911 with its innovative floppy trigger that moves vertically as well as horizontally in the frame?

Sorry, I dont view the purchase of the company by Safety Hammer as a "save". Better it had passed into history (although I think that was unlikely) than to see junk being peddaled at scalpers prices, simply because it wears the famous tradmark. My 0.02 YMMV :) Regards 18DAI
 
18DAI said:
".....But there is a lot to like too...." Really? Please name one model. ;)

The m&p with its great accuracy? The bodyguard with its great trigger? The 1911 with its innovative floppy trigger that moves vertically as well as horizontally in the frame?

Sorry, I don't view the purchase of the company by Safety Hammer as a "save". Better it had passed into history (although I think that was unlikely) than to see junk being peddled at scalpers prices, simply because it wears the famous trademark. My 0.02 YMMV :) Regards 18DAI
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I think the very fact that they survived (and went on to thrive financially) is an accomplishment. :D

Okay, I'll admit that I haven't bought a brand new S&W handgun in well over a year. The last one was a full-size M&P45... and before that a compact M&P45. While they may not be the greatest pistols ever made, I think I got my money's worth. Perhaps that's all you can hope for today. :)

There are two brand new S&W handguns on my 2017 Possibilities List: a Model 442-1 and a Shield .45. I'll admit that neither one is super-high priority but I hope to score one of each nonetheless. :)

Okay, so maybe you are right. :D But I still consider myself a fanboy. I am too old to change. Yes, my main focus is older Smith & Wessons now... but if they came out with a few decent, traditional-looking, non-IL revolvers they could flip me for sure. :p
 
As a part time instructor at the local indoor range, as well as working part time at the local high end gunshop, Ive shot and handled that new shield 45 extensively.

It is an improvement over the prior versions. While it does not have a very good trigger, IMO, I will say it sucks less than the previous versions. ;) :)

In fact, I just told one of the other instructors this past week, that I may pick up a used example at the local shop, to use as a teaching tool and to keep the wear and tear off my REAL S&Ws. ;) :)

Im currently running about 150 to 200 rounds per week through my 457 and CS9 teaching newbs how to shoot. I like those guns and care what happens to them.

I need a cheap gun that I could care less what happens to. That shield 45 fits the bill to a T. ;) Do you know if they come with a blue Beta Tester T-shirt ? How about a return shipping label? ;) Regards 18DAI
 
18DAI said:
Do you know if they come with a blue Beta Tester T-shirt ? Regards 18DAI
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18DAI said:
I need a cheap gun that I could care less what happens to. That shield 45 fits the bill to a T. ;) Do you know if they come with a blue Beta Tester T-shirt ? How about a return shipping label? ;)
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OUCH and OUCH! :eek: :p :D

The good news on the Shield .45 is that by the time it becomes legal to buy in loony moonbat Massachusetts, the beta testing will mostly be done. ;)
 
While surfing the pages of SCSW I notice that there were at least 3 Models, 5906TSW, 4006TSW, and 4566TSW that had different product codes in 2002 for "Safety Trigger Variation" pg 371, 380, 385. But I have yet to see another pistol or even a another photo of a gun with this devise. I wonder just how many were sold.
 
I agree wholeheartedly with EVERYTHING 18DAI has said.

I had a long, in-depth post typed up, but it was guaranteed to make some fanboys get butthurt, and cause me to get dinged for being too honest about the company calling itself Smith & Wesson.

I'd get that 4566 if it's priced reasonably.
I'd sit on it for 20 years and sell it for a stupidly high price, with documentation on the trigger block.

Or, I'd remove the damned thing and shoot the snot out of the 4566.
I have one, without that abomination, and it's a fantastic pistol. Typical 3rd gen Smith. Reliable to a fault. Like a Makarov, or a Star Firestar, or a SIG P220.
 
"It is an improvement over the prior versions. While it does not have a very good trigger, IMO, I will say it sucks less than the previous versions."

Yup, I always chuckle a bit when striker fired guns and good triggers are mentioned in the same sentence.
 
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