High Standard Derringer, 22 Mag

Am I reading these posts correctly? Dropping a pistol into what
amounts to a pocket flap holster suddenly shifts to AOW?
If I carry a 1911 in a concealing flap holster under a coat is that AOW? Seems to be the same thing to me.
I truly understand jumping through the AFT hoops because of
their ruling, but this is a very slippery slope.

Sorry. Conspiracy rant off.

Not exactly. The point is that the holster is designed for the gun to fired while still in the holster. There was a similar holster back then that was designed to be "permanently" attached to the derringer using the grip screws. The maker was on ATFs radar already and they considered the modification of removing the grips and replacing it with an attached "concealment device" to be the same as a pen gun or briefcase gun a la the Man from UNCLE and decided it was AOW. That was in the 80s. The *******/GALCO holsters continued to be used until someone at ATF still pickier decided any holster designed to be shot through was AOW.

Mine went away, ******* holster and all before 1997, for those from BATFE monitoring this traffic.

I see DeSantis is marketing a "Pocket Shot" holster for small autos that looks much like the banned holsters except for the fact that the entire slide is visible. Maybe that makes the difference, or maybe the regulators are too busy with bump stocks and wrist braces to bother with it.
 
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Not exactly. The point is that the holster is designed for the gun to fired while still in the holster. There was a similar holster back then that was designed to be "permanently" attached to the derringer using the grip screws. The maker was on ATFs radar already and they considered the modification of removing the grips and replacing it with an attached "concealment device" to be the same as a pen gun or briefcase gun a la the Man from UNCLE and decided it was AOW. That was in the 80s. The *******/GALCO holsters continued to be used until someone at ATF still pickier decided any holster designed to be shot through was AOW.

Mine went away, ******* holster and all before 1997, for those from BATFE monitoring this traffic.

I see DeSantis is marketing a "Pocket Shot" holster for small autos that looks much like the banned holsters except for the fact that the entire slide is visible. Maybe that makes the difference, or maybe the regulators are too busy with bump stocks and wrist braces to bother with it.

See post #37 above.
 
I've always wanted one of those. Not at current prices. Apparently $350 and up, 'way up, on GunBroker.
 
One of those (many) guns I always wanted but never got around to buying. I always preferred a J Frame as a backup weapon (just perfect for my needs). Otherwise I woulda bought one of those H-S derringers.
 
HS 22Mag with no grips, as carried since new in '80, vs LCP.
Pic of guts.
Red/green part is the Actuator that cycles the firing pin to alternate hitting either rim. Actuator Spring not show but it sits aft of the Actuator at the green mark.

Index finger on barrels when shooting.
22 Magnum snake shot beats LR Shot but a Sec6 Snub with Shot Shells is better for South Florida chores.

Color case hardening to barrels and steel grip frame, to be machined to replace aluminum, and thick brass grips for this fun project. Perhaps a Poker gambling theme as I was a card marker for an old gaming shop in my youth.
 

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