USPS parking facilities

[ladder13]

A new ruling just came down out of Tenth Circuit upholding the ban on handguns in PO parking lots.

https://www.firearmspolicy.org/news...il&utm_term=0_4196dc23eb-48dd1fed8f-116828689

 

[GaryS]

I haven't read the whole decision, but it appears that the jist of it is that the 2A does not extend to buildings owned by the government.

I wonder if this will head to SCOTUS and if they will take the case up?

This will no doubt be added to the Table of Authorities in a similar case against the ban of US Army Corps of Engineers prohibition.

 

[DWalt]

Wonder about buildings LEASED by the USPS? I believe a large number of post offices are not owned.

 

[GaryS]

Owned or leased, it's the same because it's a USPS facility.

Wonder about buildings LEASED by the USPS? I believe a large number of post offices are not owned.

 

[Wyatt p. Tato]

How will this be enforced. Are they going to search all vehicles, or is this another law to make you an outlaw they can arrest at anytime because to carry on normally you will be breaking some law.

 

[GaryS]

That don't search anything. At least not when I've ever been in a post office. Some aren't even properly posted. Mostly this would be when something else happens, they tack this charge on.

Maybe someone knows of a case where a person was charged merely for possession on PO property.

BTW, the prohibition extends to parking lots as well.

How will this be enforced. Are they going to search all vehicles, or is this another law to make you an outlaw they can arrest at anytime because to carry on normally you will be breaking some law.

 

[Road Rat]

Well, now I have to find a place on the street to park when I'm forced to go to the post office!!!!

Maybe I'll just have the missus make all post office trips!!

 

[HKSmith]

There's nothing new here. It's been illegal to carry firearms on USPS property (not just the building) for many years. The decision simply affirmed the constitutionality of this law. I doubt this case will get to the Supreme Court. Justice Scalia, who wrote the Heller decision, stated in the decision that the Second Amendment did not prohibit the regulation of firearms possession in "sensitive places", such as school and government property. You may not agree with that interpretation, but it's coming from one of the most conservative, pro-gun Justices on the Court.

 

[Fred_G]

Gun control is all about control. They want this law, so that the next time there is a school shooting, someone will probably ask why our post offices are safer than our schools.

 

[Ranger514]

Carry concealed. No problem.

 

[ladder13]

Many of the PO's around here are in multiple use strip malls, so I think using a common parking lot/area would be ok.

 

[STCM(SW)]

For this reason I use a Post Office faculty that is in a grocery store here.
They are not USPS employees, but the store's employees.
Take only cash or checks. No CC or debit cards.
Can mail anything just like the local post office.

 

[GaryS]

The difference being a private entity can ask you to leave. Carrying on the Post Office is a federal offense and conviction makes you a Prohibited Person.

So what? Lots of private businesses and corporations don't allow handguns on their property or inside their offices...the government isn't allowed the same consideration?

 

[ladder13]

Damn well there's always a first

Sorry for posting news, next time I'll ask for permission.

 

[keith44spl]

Dang who knew?

That lit'l sign, you know the one, the lit'l red slash-bar circle
over the disproportioned image of a 'Saturday Nite-Special'.

In my PO it's hidden behind the door.......


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[BearBio]

A while back, we had an individual enter through the back door of our office (A Federally-leased building housing several Federal agencies). The individual had a weapon and was an ex-convict with outstanding warrants. He also threatened at least one Federal employee. We called the deputies (Federal Law Enforcement was in the field and not present at the time).

Upshot: the trespassing and weapons violations were not applicable because the door was not marked (It was normally locked but had a faulty mechanism). He was held on the misdemeanor warrant from a nearby county and we posted signs on all doors prohibiting entrance and weapons.

 

[KdF]

I retired from the PO. Years ago Postal Inspectors pulled a Parking Lot check 1 time in my 34 year career. This was at a different station from where I worked. They fired 3 Supervisors for having alcohol in their vehicles, yet no regular employees were caught with anything. They never pulled another check that I am aware of. Didn't get what they wanted I guess.

 

[steelslaver]

I retired from the PO. Years ago Postal Inspectors pulled a Parking Lot check 1 time in my 34 year career. This was at a different station from where I worked. They fired 3 Supervisors for having alcohol in their vehicles, yet no regular employees were caught with anything. They never pulled another check that I am aware of. Didn't get what they wanted I guess.

Maybe they got just what they wanted and haven't had the same target again.

 

[sgtsandman]

All federal installations and buildings have the firearms ban, not just the Post Office. Interpretation on that can be a bit vague sometimes. There has been an on going battle about that concerning National Guard installations for some time now. When the unit is not activated, they are under State control but some National Guard officers still insist that it's federal installation. Then you look at locations like Camp Perry and Fort Indian Town Gap, where it isn't an issue and my base where it is. Since I like being employed and not being in jail, I don't carry or transport firearms on base, even though it is a National Guard Installation.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

Our little post office had 5 off street parking spaces. One is a handicap space and the space next to the door is marked reserved for postmaster. I always park in the "reserved for postmaster" space whenever it is unoccupied. Once he pulled up and yelled at me and I told him that he should have been there already and that when I was finished my business he could have his space back. I hate the entitlement mentality of government employees.