ATF decides Honey Badger AR Pistol is SBR

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Objective Factors for Classifying Weapons with “Stabilizing Braces”

Whether or not you have a favorable opinion of "pistol braces", such a change criminalizes currently legal property owned by millions of Americans, and is a change that should not be allowed to be performed administratively by unelected bureaucrats.

I would hope that anyone with any interest in retaining their 2nd Amendment Rights would speak out against any such action regardless if it impacted them specifically.
 
This will be the avenue by which the Harris-Biden administration will reduce the numbers of a whole lot of different firearms in civilian hands. No need to change or enact law, just re-write a regulation issued by a federal agency. No muss, no fuss, no act of congress. :(
 
I don't have one either, but they are legal and have not caused safety or welfare problems nor do they create a select fire or full automatic firearm, so why suddenly make them illegal or require registration and a $200 fee? What if having fog lights on a motor vehicle suddenly required a special registration and fee? Seriously, where does this sort of thing stop?
 
Sent, and I don’t agree, at all, with what the ATF is doing here...but...

All the social media/YouTube videos of guys shouldering pistol braces brought this on ourselves. What do they expect will happen when you don’t use the product as intended and post videos of it for the whole world to see.

Banning them isn’t going to do anything and it’s certainly government overreach but it’s also a punishment for being dumb.
 
Rob613 said:
Sent, and I don’t agree, at all, with what the ATF is doing here...but...

All the social media/YouTube videos of guys shouldering pistol braces brought this on ourselves. What do they expect will happen when you don’t use the product as intended and post videos of it for the whole world to see.

Banning them isn’t going to do anything and it’s certainly government overreach but it’s also a punishment for being dumb.
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They sent a letter out saying that unless the device was redesigned, by making alterations like taking the strap off, firing a weapon with a brace from your shoulder was not illegal.
 
Rob613 said:
Sent, and I don’t agree, at all, with what the ATF is doing here...but...

All the social media/YouTube videos of guys shouldering pistol braces brought this on ourselves. What do they expect will happen when you don’t use the product as intended and post videos of it for the whole world to see.

Banning them isn’t going to do anything and it’s certainly government overreach but it’s also a punishment for being dumb.
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How SBR's got sucked into the NFA morass is a question of bureaucratic overreach in and of itself.

How are they in any way related to the ATF's raison d'ete :" The purpose of the NFA is “to regulate certain weapons likely to be used for criminal purposes,” United States v. Thompson/Center Arms Co., 504 U.S. 505, 517 (1992)" ?

So, how are these "likely to be used for criminal purposes"?
Got any evidence for that ATF?
 
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delcrossv said:
How SBR's got sucked into the NFA morass is a question of bureaucratic overreach in and of itself.

How are they in any way related to the ATF's raison d'ete :" The purpose of the NFA is “to regulate certain weapons likely to be used for criminal purposes,” United States v. Thompson/Center Arms Co., 504 U.S. 505, 517 (1992)" ?

So, how are these "likely to be used for criminal purposes"?
Got any evidence for that ATF?
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In reality they have no evidence. That said their rationale in the 1930's was the size of the weapon and it being able to be easily concealed. The US Treasury Department tried to include pistols and revolvers into the NFA, but this was defeated.

The US Government has been trying to outlaw guns, at least publicly, since 1934 and more probably long before.

They won't quit until they have achieved their goal. The anti's are patient, driven and dedicated to their ill conceived folly. They see every small gain as a win. They have never and will never compromise. Every "compromise" has them winning something and US only getting to keep less and less of our rights.

If we are not vigilant they will win.
 
stansdds said:
I don't have one either, but they are legal and have not caused safety or welfare problems nor do they create a select fire or full automatic firearm, so why suddenly make them illegal or require registration and a $200 fee? What if having fog lights on a motor vehicle suddenly required a special registration and fee? Seriously, where does this sort of thing stop?
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It does not stop. It is erosion, what the libtards refer to as "a reasonable beginning". No matter whet you give up this time they will be back. They are going to waive the $200 fee. Just register them so they know who has them and how many (for now).

I do not know how many of you have taken a few minutes to read the current proposal. It mentions several factors that they could use to decide whether a particular gun is an SBR including overall length, weight, barrel length, caliber and eye relief of any attached optics. Yet it fails to define specifically what any of those factors are. Reminds me of a quote you hear from time to time from a Supreme Court decision on an obscenity case.

"Obscene" speech is "unprotected" speech as ruled by the Supreme Court. ... In 1964, Justice Potter Stewart tried to explain "hard-core" pornography, or what is obscene, by saying, "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced... but I know it when I see it ..."
 
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