Oregon's new gun law found to be legal by Fed judge

[1sailor]

Beginning now or soon, Oregon's new bill 114 goes into effect. Among other things you must buy a permit to purchase a firearm. Before buying the permit you must complete a firearms course. Magazines with a capacity of more than ten rounds are banned. Existing hi-cap mags are grandfathered in but NOT LEGAL for open or concealed carry. I'm not familiar enough with any of the other provisions to comment on them. I'm glad I didn't just drop a bundle on a new hi-cap concealed carry but all those who own them can now only carry it with a 10 round mag that CANNOT be altered to carry more than the ten. Let me make this clear though. Oregon did not vote for this. Portland did, and they have well over 50% of the votes in this state.

 

[Michaelp57]

I'm not opposed in any way to people training with their firearms, but I am against the govt mandating it. And I dont get the whole 10rd cap. That's just such a random number. Are we safer when we can only carry 10rds? I think not. I think they are just passing laws that they think they can slide under the radar with, for as long as it takes to reach their ultimate goal of total disarmament of the people.

 

[1sailor]

I agree that firearms training or at the very least a safety course is not a bad thing for first time buyers. I don't like the idea that I have to pay for the privilege of enjoying my second amendment rights. If it was for any other Constitutional right they could never get away with that. Oh, you want to vote, that'll be x amount of dollars. Oh, you want to go to the church of your choice no problem. That'll be $65 please.

 

[crstrode]

Let me make this clear though. Oregon did not vote for this. Portland did, and they have well over 50% of the votes in this state.

However, every person in Oregon is willingly sending their tax dollars to support this idiocy.

Yes, willingly. All are free to not pay Oregon taxes and skedaddle.

 

[4T5GUY]

All are free to not pay Oregon taxes and skedaddle.

So we can assume that you are either not paying Washington taxes or that you are happy with the restrictions there.

Jim

 

[1sailor]

If I recall, Washington doesn't have a State Tax. However, they are only one step behind Oregon on their gun laws. Also, I do not believe that it is a good idea to turn tail and run every time some "progressive" law gets passed. Keep that up and soon there will be nowhere to run to.

 

[Michaelp57]

Yeah sure

However, every person in Oregon is willingly sending their tax dollars to support this idiocy.

Yes, willingly. All are free to not pay Oregon taxes and skedaddle.

Not everyone can just put their entire life on pause and move to another state. The price alone is enough to keep most of us from doing that. It would be nice if we could all live where we want when we want, but unfortunately that's not realistic.

 

[lihpster]

I agree that firearms training or at the very least a safety course is not a bad thing for first time buyers. I don't like the idea that I have to pay for the privilege of enjoying my second amendment rights. If it was for any other Constitutional right they could never get away with that. Oh, you want to vote, that'll be x amount of dollars. Oh, you want to go to the church of your choice no problem. That'll be $65 please.

In my personal and uneducated opinion, this is where the law is weakest and where it should be attacked. Magazine capacity aside, having to pay to exercise a Constitutional right should have been a non-starter in the first place. If it had been a poll tax do you really think this state would have voted for it? Or any state, for that matter. What if you had to pay to plead the fifth? Or to be allowed to voice your opinion? Or to not be a slave? Or to have a speedy trial and a jury of your peers?
The other side of that is that then they can control who gets access to those rights. $65 for a permit to buy a gun doesn't sound like much money. But what if you're a single mother of 3 with a violent and vindictive ex? Maybe you could have afforded a Hi-Point but not that and the permit together. Now self defense can be allowed only for those who can afford it. And that $65 can become $500 in the blink of an eye. Can you afford a million for the right of a speedy trial? How much can afford to pay to not be a slave? Or to simply post on this forum saying, "This law sucks." This really goes deeper than firearms, in my opinion.

 

[DeplorabusUnum]

Hoping for a supreme court overturn at some point, but not holding my breath. Hard to believe carrying my Sig P365 with a 10 round magazine instead of 12 makes anyone safer or less at risk. It's getting very irritating to have the entire state run by the dimwits in Portland.

 

[DeplorabusUnum]

In my personal and uneducated opinion, this is where the law is weakest and where it should be attacked. Magazine capacity aside, having to pay to exercise a Constitutional right should have been a non-starter in the first place. If it had been a poll tax do you really think this state would have voted for it? Or any state, for that matter. What if you had to pay to plead the fifth? Or to be allowed to voice your opinion? Or to not be a slave? Or to have a speedy trial and a jury of your peers?
The other side of that is that then they can control who gets access to those rights. $65 for a permit to buy a gun doesn't sound like much money. But what if you're a single mother of 3 with a violent and vindictive ex? Maybe you could have afforded a Hi-Point but not that and the permit together. Now self defense can be allowed only for those who can afford it. And that $65 can become $500 in the blink of an eye. Can you afford a million for the right of a speedy trial? How much can afford to pay to not be a slave? Or to simply post on this forum saying, "This law sucks." This really goes deeper than firearms, in my opinion.

Well said!!!!!!

 

[DeplorabusUnum]

This is a good summary of the decision. The measure is still blocked by the ruling of a state judge in Harney county. Trial set for some time in September. I guess we still have until then to keep our 12 rounders, and to continue with purchasing firearms without a license and safety course.
Federal judge says Oregon’s new gun rules don’t violate US Constitution - OPB

 

[1sailor]

Unfortunately, it is almost impossible right now to buy a firearm anyway. Because of the panic the law caused, the time it takes to get your "instant" approval is weeks long. The last time I checked was just over a month ago and it was about a two month wait at that time. I've got a little Ruger 9mm carbine I've wanted to sell but I'm not going to wait months to see if the sale is legal or not.

 

[lihpster]

Unfortunately, it is almost impossible right now to buy a firearm anyway. Because of the panic the law caused, the time it takes to get your "instant" approval is weeks long. The last time I checked was just over a month ago and it was about a two month wait at that time. I've got a little Ruger 9mm carbine I've wanted to sell but I'm not going to wait months to see if the sale is legal or not.

My last purchase, in June, took 12 days. Not much better, but some.

 

[CH4]

“Oregon's new gun law found to be legal by Fed judge“

Imagine my surprise. I am confident one of the myriad assault rifle ban cases will soon make it to SCOTUS and upend things for those states that fail to comprehend.

 

[1sailor]

If you got yours cleared in 12 days that is great. I hope things won't get super crazy again now that a federal judge has made a ruling. I'll have to check tomorrow to see how long the list is. This might be a good window to try and sell that carbine.

 

[johngalt]

I'm not opposed in any way to people training with their firearms, but I am against the govt mandating it. And I dont get the whole 10rd cap. That's just such a random number. Are we safer when we can only carry 10rds? I think not. I think they are just passing laws that they think they can slide under the radar with, for as long as it takes to reach their ultimate goal of total disarmament of the people.

I wonder how many shooting victims said “I hope I didn’t get shot with the 11th round”

 

[dsf]

Gun stores in southern OR are advertising 2 days to do the check. A friend works in a small LGS (Fox Firearms in Grants Pass) and their guns are moving fast. I dropped off about a dozen guns a few weeks ago and they're selling well.

I think the big box stores like Sportsman's warehouse and Cabelas, Bass Pro take alot longer. Same for the "kind of" larger like BiMart, Blackbirds, etc that sell other non-gun stuff.

I bought my retirement home in GP about 5 years ago. Moved most of my "not OK in CA" guns up there already. This stinks and I hope the courts dump it. The judge's decision is so far removed from Bruen decision constraints that I hope even the 9th strikes it down.

 

[1sailor]

Sounds like the panic buying has died way down. That's good. It was really nuts for a while there.

 

[stansdds]

I still find it fascinating that one must purchase a permit in order to exercise a right that is defined in the Bill of Rights, aka, the first ten amendments to our constitution. I read the constitution, I could not find any language that even suggests that a permit or permission is required or that such practices are considered acceptable in order to purchase or carry a firearm.

 

[dockmurgw]

I still find it fascinating that one must purchase a permit in order to exercise a right that is defined in the Bill of Rights, aka, the first ten amendments to our constitution. I read the constitution, I could not find any language that even suggests that a permit or permission is required or that such practices are considered acceptable in order to purchase or carry a firearm.

I cant find any language on training either. There are many that oppose permits but are fine with training requirements. A glaring contradiction.