The wait begins-Colorado

S&W Fan · #1 10-01-2023, 02:37 PM

This state has changed so much in the almost 40 years I've lived here. Effective today, 10/1, we now have a 3 day waiting period on all purchases. It was bad enough when we had to use an ffl for ftf transactions now this.

I believe tomorrow, Monday, a legal challenge will be filed hopefully that will provide an injunction until a decision is made but it's still disheartening. I know 3 days isn't that big a deal and that many have it worse but there has been a deterioration of our freedoms as this state has become more left leaning every year. I've also heard from a couple of shops they're still waiting to find out how this will impact them providing the ftf transactions-possibly another rider to their insurance, separate storage areas just a couple. Sad, it used to be a great place. If I sell off any of my stuff that my sons aren't interested in I'll just put them on consignment at a store-those fees have risen greatly also, usually 15-25% of the selling price.

If my sons weren't here I'd leave but as I age (67 in 29 days lol) being close to them and my grandchildren become more important every day.

LoboGunLeather · #2 10-01-2023, 05:56 PM

The Californication of Colorado is nearing completion.

smoothshooter · #3 10-01-2023, 06:38 PM

Any chance of getting any of those family members to move out of the state with you before the family generational roots grow even deeper in CO?

smoothshooter · #4 10-01-2023, 06:43 PM

Socialism is addictive to the masses.
Trading freedoms for more goodies paid for by someone else is hard for people to resist.

pharmer · #5 10-01-2023, 06:49 PM

Colorado, great place to visit:

Although it does have "peculiarities":
Donkey race in Cripple Creek

Downtown (gone now)

And one street over

Joe

otis24 · #6 10-01-2023, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by LoboGunLeather

The Californication of Colorado is nearing completion.

One of the reasons my in-laws, both in their mid-70’s emigrated from there to live in South Dakota after a lifetime of being Colorado residents!

S&W Fan · #7 10-01-2023, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by smoothshooter

Any chance of getting any of those family members to move out of the state with you before the family generational roots grow even deeper in CO?

My son with little ones will be calling it 20 with the Colorado Army National Guard in March and he has a great fire department job-firefighter/paramedic/fto and is being strongly encouraged to test for lieutenant after leaving the Guard. Plus his ex is here so there’s the joint custody thing-he won’t be leaving. My other son is a big time snowboarding freak on the weekends plus his wife is also a native so they’re not leaving.

I hope the challenge is successful but I have my doubts.

smoothshooter · #8 10-01-2023, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by pharmer

Colorado, great place to visit:

Although it does have "peculiarities":
Donkey race in Cripple Creek

Downtown (gone now)

And one street over

Joe

What happened to the downtown?

HeyJoe · #9 10-01-2023, 09:22 PM

just for sake of argument even if you stipulate that waiting three days for your first firearm makes some kind of sense, which I dont agree with, how does it make any sense at all for any subsequent firearm purchases to have to wait 3 days, you already have a gun, so if you were going to do anything you could have done it already with your other gun or guns.

S&W Fan · #10 10-01-2023, 09:24 PM

^ exactly. It’s ludicrous.

arjay · #11 10-01-2023, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pharmer

Colorado, great place to visit:

Although it does have "peculiarities":
Donkey race in Cripple Creek

Downtown (gone now)

And one street over

Joe

It’s a very cool place,but it’s suffering from crowding,insane traffic and a rising crime rate.

LostintheOzone · #12 10-01-2023, 09:52 PM

Like it or not the west coast states are all blue now. The Rocky mountain states are following the same pattern as people migrate from the west coast inland. CO, NV, and AZ are all going to be blue in the future. The transition is already happening. You can't escape it.

Our waiting period is 10 days. We have a UBC and a 10 rd mag limit.

I just live with it because I'm too old to move.

I worked in Colorado Springs and Alamosa in the 70's. I loved it. I would live there now except it's changed.

cougar015 · #13 10-01-2023, 10:05 PM

In Pennsylvania, we have an instant background check. After filling out the required paperwork, FFL places a call to an ATF agent and it normally takes 5-10 minutes to get approved. A 3 day waiting period used to be known as a cooling off period and was to prevent anyone from buying a gun during a fit of rage and using it in a bad way. Never made sense if I already had a gun(s).

30-30remchester · #14 10-01-2023, 10:28 PM

Having lived here most of my life, it is becoming a place for people to move to because they don't like where they live. Then try to change my home into the same place they left. The 3-day waiting period has made small gun shows obsolete. Nobody wants to travel to the small-town shows, buy a gun, go home and travel back 3 days later to get the gun. Plus, small dealers must find someone to hold onto the purchased firearm till the waiting period is over. Our little gun club put on one gun show a year. The proceeds paid our land lease, taxes, insurance and utility bills for the year. We just had our last ever show. After 50 years of attending gun shows, I most likely will never attend another.

Rich Richardson · #15 10-01-2023, 10:31 PM

I have a home in Colorado and a home in Arizona. My legal residence is Arizona. I’m 72 and hoping the state doesn’t turn blue before I turn blue and stiff.

S&W Fan · #16 10-03-2023, 03:30 PM

Forgot to mention that while “approved/denied/delayed” notification comes back in mere minutes the stupid law still requires three days before the buyer can come back to pick up the firearm. Won’t accomplish anything as we all know.

ISCS Yoda · #17 10-03-2023, 04:24 PM

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If my sons weren't here I'd leave but as I age (67 in 29 days lol) being close to them and my grandchildren become more important every day.
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I easily made the opposite decision but, then again, the choice was New York versus Texas - not much of a choice. Same for Colorado, too.

AJ · #18 10-03-2023, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by S&W Fan

This state has changed so much in the almost 40 years I've lived here. Effective today, 10/1, we now have a 3 day waiting period on all purchases. It was bad enough when we had to use an ffl for ftf transactions now this.

I believe tomorrow, Monday, a legal challenge will be filed hopefully that will provide an injunction until a decision is made but it's still disheartening. I know 3 days isn't that big a deal and that many have it worse but there has been a deterioration of our freedoms as this state has become more left leaning every year. I've also heard from a couple of shops they're still waiting to find out how this will impact them providing the ftf transactions-possibly another rider to their insurance, separate storage areas just a couple. Sad, it used to be a great place. If I sell off any of my stuff that my sons aren't interested in I'll just put them on consignment at a store-those fees have risen greatly also, usually 15-25% of the selling price.

If my sons weren't here I'd leave but as I age (67 in 29 days lol) being close to them and my grandchildren become more important every day.

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Originally Posted by LoboGunLeather

The Californication of Colorado is nearing completion.

Thought that as I started reading the first post. Worried about the same here.

serger · #19 10-03-2023, 04:40 PM

Hopefully Dudley Brown and RMGO will light them up.

The bad thing about all this is, the clowns in office
enact this stuff and you have to fight them in court.
Then when they lose, they enact another batch of
stuff and you have to do it all over again.

Perhaps Greenies ought to remove qualified immunity
from government and elected officials. Then when
they pull this, sue the perps individually for denying
you your civil rights. After a couple are bankrupted
the rest will get with the program.

I'm going to have to read the law. Since I don't
live in CO any more whenever I go to Brighton
or the Junction to see relatives and buy firearms,
I have them sent to my local FFL. With a three day
wait I'm not doing that if it applies to me. I think a lot
of dealers are going to be using the online auction
houses more than they used to.

dave1918a2 · #20 10-03-2023, 04:41 PM

I grew up here and migrated to Colorado in 1968 after My discharge. My parents were there then, so it was kind of going home. 52 years I spent there. The last few showed Me the direction of the State, so I packed up and moved back to SD. Glad I did. We have a great Governor, good 2A laws, and for Your snowboarder some really good skiing, great hunting, fishing and just plain sightseeing. Just leave the Colorado stuff behind if You move. Walk into the LGS, buy a gun, fill out the NEW 4473, plunk down Your CCW permit and walk out.

AJ · #21 10-03-2023, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dave1918a2

Walk into the LGS, buy a gun, fill out the NEW 4473, plunk down Your CCW permit and walk out.

Pretty much that is the way it is here in Fla.

johngalt · #22 10-03-2023, 07:06 PM

MN is going downhilll fast. They just enacted universal background checks.

Alk8944 · #23 10-03-2023, 07:07 PM

SW Fan,

Where do your relatives in Colorado live? Kansas, Nebraska, Utah and Wyoming don't have the kind of nonsense you are facing in Colorado, maybe one of the surrounding states would be close enough to them for you to visit.

Notice I did not include New Mexico!

steelslaver · #24 10-04-2023, 10:51 AM

Montana is full has, horribly cold winters and very high property taxes

Liftrat · #25 10-04-2023, 11:28 AM

Yes, the waiting period is a complete waste of time and energy, but I suppose it was meant to be that. If it doesn't reduce the crime rate, will they repeal it? Not likely. I was wondering, though, if I buy a gun from a dealer, say in Denver, and wait the 3 days, can they then ship it to me directly, or would I have to go back and pick it up? The latter would sure put a crimp in buying out-of-town.

Shibadog · #26 10-04-2023, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by smoothshooter

Socialism is addictive to the masses.
Trading freedoms for more goodies paid for by someone else is hard for people to resist.

Yup. Sir Winston summed it up “The problem with socialism is sooner or later you run out of other people’s money”.

gmarshall99 · #27 10-04-2023, 03:31 PM

Was at LGS this morning for a gb sale. The nics computer system hasn't been updated to the three day rule. Owner is keeping a record of date and time check was made on paper, to avoid liability.

AJ · #28 10-04-2023, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by steelslaver

Montana is full has, horribly cold winters and very high property taxes

Wish we could say the same!!

steelslaver · #29 10-04-2023, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AJ

Wish we could say the same!!

You got that insufferable humidity and alligators and your skiing really sucks

AJ · #30 10-04-2023, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by steelslaver

You got that insufferable humidity and alligators and your skiing really sucks

Skiing is not bad if you stay away from the gators!

Old 44 Guy · #31 10-05-2023, 01:04 AM

Lived in Oregon for 12 years. It was great until the Libs took over. Now a lot of my friends there are moving to Idaho. I'm too old the start over again.

coltle6920 · #32 10-05-2023, 02:34 PM

Does the new law apply to giving firearms to family members upon one's death?

S&W Fan · #33 10-06-2023, 09:46 AM

Dudley Brown is a “word that would get me banned” and is the reason the magazine capacity limit was successful. He only cares about himself and seems to be in the background now of RMGO.

The lawsuit has been filed, I’m not optimistic it will be successful. Again, moving not an option for me. Firearms passed to immediate family members are not subject.

glenwolde · #34 10-06-2023, 09:52 AM

I lived briefly in Illinois, which also has a waiting period. I'm not entirely sure this was Kosher, but the FFL used to get the serial number of ordered guns from the wholesaler/seller and we'd fill out the paper work before the gun ever got there. It turned the shipping time into "waiting period" time.

BE Mike · #35 10-06-2023, 10:18 AM

The younger generations are being conditioned for socialism a little at a time so that they don't revolt. The socialist tactics are to lie and get laws passed that are only "feel good" and make no logical sense. Gun laws are easy to pass because so many younger people have an unfounded fear of guns. The socialists have figured out that the way to eat an elephant is one bite at a time.

Racer X · #36 10-06-2023, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by glenwolde

I lived briefly in Illinois, which also has a waiting period. I'm not entirely sure this was Kosher, but the FFL used to get the serial number of ordered guns from the wholesaler/seller and we'd fill out the paper work before the gun ever got there. It turned the shipping time into "waiting period" time.

well, to be honest, it is a waiting period between purchase and you taking possession. I don't know the specific wording of that law, but if you paid for it, and it ships on the 1st, and you take possession on the 11th, how is that not a 10 day waiting period?

S&W Fan · #37 10-07-2023, 08:18 PM

So late Friday afternoon I went to my shop for a purchase. Filled out the form and the clock begins-the interesting thing is they said even though the approval/denial/delayed response would come back in short order they won’t look at it until the 3 day (from the time of day it was submitted) period concludes. I probably can’t get back to the store until next Saturday with my work schedule. Grrrr.

RMFnLA · #38 10-07-2023, 08:26 PM

I grew up in Florida and they have had a 3-day “cooling off period” since before I got into guns.

I don’t know about you, but I couldn’t eat, sleep, or pay attention in class during those three interminable days until I could pick up my latest toy.

RMFnLA · #39 10-07-2023, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AJ

Pretty much that is the way it is here in Fla.

No more 3-day “cooling off” period?

glenwolde · #40 10-08-2023, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Racer X

well, to be honest, it is a waiting period between purchase and you taking possession. I don't know the specific wording of that law, but if you paid for it, and it ships on the 1st, and you take possession on the 11th, how is that not a 10 day waiting period?

Exactly, makes sense to me. But not a lot of dealers would do it for some reason. Maybe they do now. It has the same effect of a delay between the decision/transaction to purchase and delivery. Since Illinois has a 72 hour waiting period the gun usually didn't get there until after the time period was up.

gwpercle · #41 10-08-2023, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by HeyJoe

just for sake of argument even if you stipulate that waiting three days for your first firearm makes some kind of sense, which I dont agree with, how does it make any sense at all for any subsequent firearm purchases to have to wait 3 days, you already have a gun, so if you were going to do anything you could have done it already with your other gun or guns.

You're missing the point ... it has nothing to do with making sense.
The idea is to make it as hard as possible for the law abiding citizen to become armed .
It is much easier to control / enslave a nation of unarmed citizens ...
Armed men tend to fight for their freedom too vigorously and the left can't have that .

Gary

H Richard · #42 10-09-2023, 10:59 AM

There are very few states any longer that don't have difficult gun laws. All caused by those evil who caused multiple gun death's. It is primarily only the law breakers that don't abide with laws in effect that do the deeds that cause this to happen. It is only those of us that do our best to follow the laws that get harmed and inconvenienced.

johngalt · #43 10-09-2023, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by H Richard

There are very few states any longer that don't have difficult gun laws. All caused by those evil who caused multiple gun death's. It is primarily only the law breakers that don't abide with laws in effect that do the deeds that cause this to happen. It is only those of us that do our best to follow the laws that get harmed and inconvenienced.

The last I checked Ohio is still gun friendly. No additional state laws regarding purchase and possession beyond Federal law. Carry has only improved since I left, is now permitless concealed carry.

Chubbs103 · #44 10-09-2023, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RMFnLA

No more 3-day “cooling off” period?

"Cooling Off" period is waived in FL if you have a CCW.

schutz5 · #45 10-09-2023, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by S&W Fan

Forgot to mention that while “approved/denied/delayed” notification comes back in mere minutes the stupid law still requires three days before the buyer can come back to pick up the firearm. Won’t accomplish anything as we all know.

The next tactic is to make it so "the computerized system" becomes mysteriously defective. Common phenomena in California.
Worm wood.

Miami_JBT · #46 10-09-2023, 02:29 PM

FL has had waiting periods forever. A wonderful leftover of Jim Crow.

rct269 · #47 10-09-2023, 10:37 PM

Don't confuse the left with any form of logic.

Ralph Tremaine

wcat94 · #48 10-19-2023, 10:03 AM

The 3 day wait law is an inconvenience. The new law making it easier to sue dealer/ manufacture of a firearm is effectively causing smaller dealers and ffl holders to not do business in CO.. This overrides federal law and hopefully will not stand.

BE Mike · #49 10-19-2023, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wcat94

The 3 day wait law is an inconvenience. The new law making it easier to sue dealer/ manufacture of a firearm is effectively causing smaller dealers and ffl holders to not do business in CO.. This overrides federal law and hopefully will not stand.

It's not an inconvenience if you are a battered person, with an out of control husband or boyfriend, who is likely to disregard a court order and attack you. You might need a gun and need it now!

wcat94 · #50 10-19-2023, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BE Mike

It's not an inconvenience if you are a battered person, with an out of control husband or boyfriend, who is likely to disregard a court order and attack you. You might need a gun and need it now!

Yes, I agree with what you are saying. I was speaking of my own situation I suppose.