President to Close Gun Show LoopHole

[Badmatrix]

Originally Posted by glenwolde

Only Congress can authorize "Universal Background Checks". Closing "The Gun show Loophole" doesn't really stop private sales, just some abuses of the system. Mostly it's grandstanding.

These new rules are going to be fairly easy to monitor through online activity. Frequent gunbroker listings? You're a dealer.

Unintended consequences: gunbroker loses some business. These shadow dealers could, ironically, go to more gun shows as the online advertising is too visible.

Sell only at gun shows, only take cash, don't pay for advertising.

Ye Right, brilliant…..and risk going away to jail for a firearms violation and lose the right to have firearms. No thanks.

[deadin]

Sell only at gun shows, only take cash, don't pay for advertising.

How about just get a FFL?

[pawngal]

Sell only at gun shows, only take cash, don't pay for advertising.

That is about the dumbest comment in the entire thread. ATF is monitoring gun shows and making purchases from these non-dealers. That was part of the case with the Arkansas guy.

[Truckman]

Originally Posted by deadin

How about just get a FFL?

Because an American who is qualified to own and possess personal property should not be forced by a governing body to be licensed to sell, transfer or trade that property so long as the buyer/transferee is equally qualified......Ben

[deadin]

as the buyer/transferee is equally qualified.

And how do you know this stranger meets the qualifications?

[Truckman]

Originally Posted by deadin

And how do you know this stranger meets the qualifications?

In the same manner in which the stranger knows I meet the qualifications......Ben

[biku324]

Originally Posted by heeter3

It looks like he may be banning cannibals next.

Where was that deal cooked up??

[paknheat]

I bet the ATF smuggled more guns across the border than any were ever bought illegally at a gun show.


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[vt_shooter]

If the goal of the government was to make the citizens safer they'd start by keeping repeat offenders in jail. What percentage of violent crime is perpetrated by repeat offenders - 90%? Maybe higher.

[Truckman]

Originally Posted by vt_shooter

If the goal of the government was to make the citizens safer they'd start by keeping repeat offenders in jail.

Or under it......Ben

[H Richard]

Hmmmm, my C&R 03 FFL states (in bold print), THIS LICENSE DOES NOT AUTHORIZE THE HOLDER TO ENGAGE IN THE BUSINESS OF DEALING IN ANY FIREARMS.
Where does this stand in all this mess?

[biku324]

Originally Posted by paknheat

I bet the ATF smuggled more guns across the border than any were ever bought illegally at a gun show.


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You'd be wrong.

There is an enormous and growing market in Mexico for anything will pop a 5.56. 7.63x39, 7.62x25, 9mm, or 45 ACP cap. Burglaries, straw purchases, individual private sales, questionable gunshow sales are all used, usually by fine folks who smuggle dope and people north, then guns, ammo, and money south. It's worse today than even the 90s because jobs here are plentiful, licensed marijuana is legal and hard to distinguish from illegal weed, the fentanyl market just keeps growing, and the US checks exactly NOTHING southbound into Mexico.

[WCCPHD]

Originally Posted by Bozz10mm

They call it closing the gun show loop hole, but in reality, it is much more sinister than that. If you, me, anyone sells any firearm with the intent to make a profit, even just one firearm, the ATF can label you as a dealer.

You are partially right. They CALL it closing a non-existant loophole.

What it's intent is to CLOSE GUN SHOWS. (PERIOD).

[WCCPHD]

Originally Posted by deadin

How about just get a FFL?

Most of those who sell at gun shows that people here are speaking of don't have storefronts. They can't afford to rent them for "occasional sales."

Try to get an FFL at you house. I seem to remember ATF cracked down on "table top dealers" years ago. Most cities/counties have zoning that would not allow home FFL's even if ATF would issue the license. (Its how North Carolina cracked down on alcohol sales permits, requiring applicants to have a notice signed by the local zoning administrator stating that the potential business is in compliance with zoning regulations).

Just call this what it is: GUN CONTROL. It is an attempt to make an end run around the Second Amendment. Can't bear arms if you can't buy them. Also, they are trying to make buying ammo more difficult (and expensive). Bearing unloaded arms defeats the purpose.

And always remember, Gun Control is not about guns, its about CONTROL.

[deadin]

I plan on doing as much trading as possible; (Two $5 cats for a $10 dog...)
Won't know if I made a profit unless I actually sell something...

[rockquarry]

The Ft. Worth gun show usually has a good size crowd, but it appeared to be a larger gathering this weekend...

[Racer X]

What about the Tinder loophole?

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[local_dirt]

It's a lie. Just like everything he's ever said in his entire miserable thieving life.

[EX11B]

Originally Posted by Telecaster

So, a guy buys a gun at a gun show without a background check (because he would fail it), then goes out and commits armed robbery. What happens to him under this new "rule" that wouldn't happen now? From what I've read, the prosecutors tend to ignore the dozens of laws they break and only prosecute the easy ones like armed robbery.

It's just a feel-good proposal so they look like they've "done something"

This new rule only effects the seller, there is no penalty for the buyer. It is set up to punish law abiding people

[22hipower]

Originally Posted by rockquarry

The Ft. Worth gun show usually has a good size crowd, but it appeared to be a larger gathering this weekend...

Last time I went the best tables were the guy with the pickled quail eggs and another with multiple flavors of fudge. If someone wanted a (or hundreds of) cheap Chinese (or perhaps Pakistani) knives, there were plenty of those too. Probably no one cares much about those sellers' profits, if any. Unfortunately collectable S&Ws were mostly obvious by their absence.

Jeff
SWCA #1457

[Kevin J.]

Originally Posted by biku324

Where was that deal cooked up??

I see what you did there

[Xfuzz]

UPDATE:

Texas Attorney general and the Kansas Attorney general have
filed a lawsuit seeking an injunction against the Bidens administration and the ATF concerning the "engaged in the business" rule.

Here is hoping...

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[Racer X]

now 3 lawsuits involving 26 states AGs. 26 Republican attorneys general sue to block Biden rule requiring background checks at gun shows

[bruce5781]

Luckily, I have already used the Gunshow Loophole to dispose of all my guns. I figured the lakes were already polluted enough from all the boating accidents.

[CH4]

Originally Posted by pawngal

Calm down, this is much ado about just some wording defining "engaged in the business"
In the GCA the original wording to require an FFL was " “principal objective of livelihood and profit” and “engaged in the business”
The new wording is “predominantly earn a profit” (“PEP”) and “terrorism,”

If you are really bored, here is the bill
https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regula...earms/download

“Congress has never passed into law the ATF’s dramatic new expansion of firearms dealer license requirements, and President Biden cannot unilaterally impose them..."

That's why 3 states' AGs have filed suit, with 26 states piling on.

[smith17]

Last week I forwarded info to a friend of mine who sponsors small shows in Texas, asking him how it would affect him. He responded that he was unaware of such a change in BATFE code. Yesterday he called and said he checked with 3 BATF agents and they said they were unaware of anything changing at all and that I must have bad info.