President to Close Gun Show LoopHole

[smith17]

The negative commenters and doomsdayers are living in the reality of a rogue president and atf who think they are above the law. This is flat out illegal what he did, and of course will put a huge dent in gun shows. It's reality, and the Big Guy thinks he can get away with it...hello Supreme Court!

In reality, he didn't do it. Our Congress passed the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act last year after the Uvalde school massacre. One of the Texas U.S. senators, John Cornyn, voted for it; there were warnings from many that something like this would happen but few listened.
Some think online auctions will go under but as long as a seller goes through a dealer with an FFL, not much should change. Local gun shows where the majority of tables are private collections are toast. If an enterprising FFL holder wanted to make some easy cash, he would advertise his availability to be present at shows, initiate background checks and complete the 4473 forms. All without having to watch his table for thieves or negotiate sales of his own personal items.
I don't think that will happen very often, however.

 

[pawngal]

If an enterprising FFL holder wanted to make some easy cash, he would advertise his availability to be present at shows, initiate background checks and complete the 4473 forms. All without having to watch his table for thieves or negotiate sales of his own personal items.
I don't think that will happen very often, however.

That is being done in some locations

 

[deadin]

I think we should start a movement to license "social media".

 

[Truckman]

That is being done in some locations

Transfer to a local FFL was a common practice at the shows during the Clinton administration from out-of-town FFL's with a 5 day waiting period......Ben

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

Here. Read the rule yourselves and draw your own conclusions.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2024-04-19/pdf/2024-07838.pdf

Or read the Forbes Magazine article.
Gun Show Loophole: Here’s What To Know As Biden Administration Announces Restrictions

Seems like the occasional gun seller is NOT affected

 

[ladder13]

“The new rule will expand the definition of who is “engaged in the business” of selling firearms and now required to conduct background checks—for example, sellers who “repetitively” sell firearms within 30 days of their purchase, or sell guns that are new or “like new” and in their original packaging”

All my guns are beaters.

 

[dockmurgw]

Gun shows here always include a back ground check table...cost of doing business for the promoter. I know many here will consider me the spawn of Satan for saying this, but I would prefer that to a felonious gang banger dropping cash on the table and walking away with the gun of their choice from one of the many unscrupulous sellers out there.
Edit - We don't have CC permits here so that's not an option...hence the need for the background checks.

 

[walnutred]

And I think this part of the definition of who is in business will kill even club events like OGCA:

(ii) Repetitively or continuously
purchases, rents, or otherwise
exchanges (directly or indirectly)
something of value to secure permanent
or temporary physical space to display
firearms they offer for resale, including
part or all of a business premises, a table
or space at a gun show, or a display
case;

 

[Xfuzz]

Did a show this past weekend.
Things were a bit flat.
Based on the new rules/law and conversation with
other private sellers setting up a table at a show is over.

 

[Truckman]

Did a show this past weekend.
Things were a bit flat.
Based on the new rules/law and conversation with
other private sellers setting up a table at a show is over.

Howie, my opinion differs from yours...I have always arranged my tables with my guns under glass with information cards, and intended as displays...You will never see a number with a dollar sign on any of my guns...If a person wants to talk about owning one of mine, the door is open to conversation...My primary goal has always been the improvement of my collection, with a secondary goal of improving yours...

I'll continue my occasional table display until informed in person by an appropriate government representative that my method requires licensing...However, our local promoter's idea of taking advantage of the current panic as an excuse to jack table prices 50% for non-FFL holders is in my view usurious......Ben

 

[Rodan]

I'll continue my occasional table display until informed in person by an appropriate government representative that my method requires licensing...

The only problem being that the ATF may decide to "inform" you by knocking your door flat with a SWAT team at zero-dark-thirty...

 

[walnutred]

The only problem being that the ATF may decide to "inform" you by knocking your door flat with a SWAT team at zero-dark-thirty...

More likely confiscation by the ATF of an illegal public display of firearms by a non FFL holder, with all evidence held pending trial.

 

[Truckman]

The only problem being that the ATF may decide to "inform" you by knocking your door flat with a SWAT team at zero-dark-thirty...

I worry less about that scenario than I do about a crew pretending to be SWAT gaining entry with their High Points and Mac 10 lookalikes in hand...Either one might be welcomed in the same manner since I would not expect to survive the visit anyway......Ben

 

[Rodan]

More likely confiscation by the ATF of an illegal public display of firearms by a non FFL holder, with all evidence held pending trial.

Recent history would indicate otherwise.

 

[ladder13]

So does this all mean comfy shoes will no longer be needed in Tulsa?

 

[Bozz10mm]

They call it closing the gun show loop hole, but in reality, it is much more sinister than that. If you, me, anyone sells any firearm with the intent to make a profit, even just one firearm, the ATF can label you as a dealer.

 

[Xfuzz]

I noticed that the show promoters were stamping all non FFL
sellers show ID tag with a red dot.
FFL holders were not stamped.

An instant identifier for any passing agent.
In addition, they jacked up the non FFL holders
table price.

Law/rule is too vague to take the chance.

 

[Bozz10mm]

table price.

Law/rule is too vague to take the chance.

This. It is way too ambiguous. Leaves it up to the ATF to arbitrarily decide whether you are a dealer or not. Anyone selling firearms at a gun show without an FFL will definitely be deemed a "Dealer". Doesn't matter if you have a table inside or if you sell one gun out of your trunk in the parking lot.

 

[Bozz10mm]

This seems to be part of a two pronged attack. First they shut down private sales, then they go after the FFL dealers with their "zero tolerance" policy.

 

[Bozz10mm]

One more thing and I'll stop..until next time, lol. The new rule will most certainly shut down the classifieds from private sellers on this and other forums. Just because you sell through an FFL does not exempt you from being labeled as a dealer. Something in the new rule about advertising a firearm for sale. Food for thought.