Hearing Protection Act

[CAJUNLAWYER]

Is the NRA going to be pushing a bill after the first of the year to once agaib try to get the Hearing Protection Act passed and to the executive desk?? Want to get one but it would really piss me off if I paid for the stamp and in three months -poof, suppressors are no longer NFA items.

[Super Trucker]

I wouldn't hold my breathe.

ETA:
I'm sending a pm with a link to avoid getting in trouble.

[jakerudy]

I suspect cleaning up the right to carry across state lines is more likely to get attention than suppressors. Carry would be higher profile to more people.

On the plus side my last suppressor only took 13 days to clear.

[gwpercle]

That Law has been on the books so long and touted as such a great reducer of crime ... I realy don't see it going down any time soon .
Maybe in 3-4 years ... and that's a big maybe ...
I would just bite the bullet , pay the tax and get one ...
Have fun with it while waiting to see if anything changes ...
you know how slowly the wheels turn up there .
Gary

[BE Mike]

I don't remember any pro 2A laws or executive orders going into effect in Trumps first four years. I don't have high hopes, this go around.

[stansdds]

Originally Posted by BE Mike

I don't remember any pro 2A laws or executive orders going into effect in Trumps first four years. I don't have high hopes, this go around.

I don't either. I think the best thing we could get would be an overhaul of the DOJ and all the other alphabet agencies.

[Bald1]

For New Yorkers we’ll only ever get suppressors if they come off the NFA list. They are completely banned. And even that would require more lawsuits

[ladder13]

I’m with the nothing will happen voices. No NFA or national reciprocity.
Spend the $200, life is very short.
You won’t want/need just one either.

[Snub Nose Sasquatch]

The one good thing, at least, is that there was no run up on all the gun shops had the Democrats won. If they had won, there would be no ammo anywhere whatsoever.

[lonestar57]

Too late for me, can't hear for squat.......

[Shibadog]

I’d believe CCW reciprocity would happen first. You know though what’s weird? In Europe gettin a pistol is a PITA, but when you do, a lot of them have suppressors included. I was at the CZ store in Prague and they had them case in the box with most of the pistols.

[BE Mike]

It's apparently not reality that counts, it is the perception of reality. I wonder how many police associations or organizations would oppose taking the restrictions off of suppressors?

[Sgt. Buzzard]

For me the $200. really doesn't matter and I'd like one. But reality is there is just about always someone else on the range banging away with a 30-06 or 2" barrel. 357.

[llowry61]

I've got 3 - one for 22LR, one for 9MM then one that is for anything from .223 - .46 rifle cartridges included. They are really nice and fun. Bought mine right when the electronic process was going live. Took about 3 months for two then the last one was close to 6. I put them in a trust and have paperwork for my wife as a designated trustee so if anything happens to me, she isn't an immediate felon. Just remember once you buy them chances of selling them are pretty slim so be sure to get what you want when you do get them.

[walnutred]

I recently started the process of purchasing a suppressor for my 10/22 take down. It will be interesting to see how long the process takes. I think it's ridiculous that suppressors require a stamp but I would rather any time spent on legislation changes to be on universal reciprocity for CCW. Unfortunately I'll be surprised to see any major changes in the next decade.

[ISCS Yoda]

Since they're legal here I have had this one for quite a few years. It fits a variety of threaded .22 LR pistols:

[BB57]

Originally Posted by BE Mike

I don't remember any pro 2A laws or executive orders going into effect in Trumps first four years. I don't have high hopes, this go around.

Somoen who I won’t mention to keep it from getting political had house and senate majorities from Jan 2017 to Jan 2019 and didn’t even try to get it done.

What did he do for gun rights was nothing. He did however ban bump stocks via executive order and set a precedent for gun control via executive fiat for the following President.

I’m not holding my breath on national concealed carry or de listing suppressors.

[Model 15-4ever]

Originally Posted by BE Mike

I don't remember any pro 2A laws or executive orders going into effect in Trumps first four years. I don't have high hopes, this go around.

Then you weren't paying attention. Here's a breakdown of what he rescinded from Obama-era and prevented:

A Second Amendment Grade for President Trump So Far | The Heritage Foundation

He also appointed numerous pro-2A judges and SCOTUS justices, with the obvious beneficial results.\

Finally, you can't "executive order" either suppressors or CCW reciprocity. We have a democracy in this country and the laws have to be changed by Congress.

I agree that suppressors will have to wait until after national carry reciprocity, and other legislation frankly more important to the restoring freedom and prosperity to our Nation.

[rickflst]

Originally Posted by Bald1

For New Yorkers we’ll only ever get suppressors if they come off the NFA list. They are completely banned. And even that would require more lawsuits

Same in MA. I would gladly pay the tax to have one

[rosewood]

It was floated to make Brandon Herrera the ATF director. I bet if he was to get that job, he would be pushing for the Legislation. Might even re-word some of the "rules" to make it easier to obtain. Fingers crossed.

The Hearing Protection Act was about to be brought to the floor when that idiot in Vegas murdered folks and put a bad taste in folks mouths.

Rosewood

[tomahawk223]

any of these laws we want passed would have to be written to override any state laws regardless of what it is. if states are still allowed to prohibit them it would be toothless. I think that the mag limit, modern sporting rifle, duty to inform and nationwide CCW in a manner where states cant impose any restrictions.

[rosewood]

Originally Posted by Model 15-4ever

Then you weren't paying attention. Here's a breakdown of what he rescinded from Obama-era and prevented:

A Second Amendment Grade for President Trump So Far | The Heritage Foundation

He also appointed numerous pro-2A judges and SCOTUS justices, with the obvious beneficial results.\

Finally, you can't "executive order" either suppressors or CCW reciprocity. We have a democracy in this country and the laws have to be changed by Congress.

I agree that suppressors will have to wait until after national carry reciprocity, and other legislation frankly more important to the restoring freedom and prosperity to our Nation.

Also, the House passed National Reciprocity in 2017, but apparently it stalled out in the Senate and never made it to Trump's desk.

Rosewood

[Hawg Rider]

I'm going to hold off this time and see what happens. I got nervous about the Stabilizing Arm Brace on my SIG MPX, so I caved and got my MPX registered as a SBR before the deadline last year (register without paying for the stamp). Since I now owned a SBR, I removed the SAB and installed a folding telescoping stock. Not a huge mistake on my part but I couldn't be sure that the ATF ruling would be reversed. It's the only registered firearm I own. I sincerely hope that the Hearing Protection Act bill gets introduced and passed- that would make suppressors much easier and cheaper!

[rosewood]

Originally Posted by Hawg Rider

I'm going to hold off this time and see what happens. I got nervous about the Stabilizing Arm Brace on my SIG MPX, so I caved and got my MPX registered as a SBR before the deadline last year (register without paying for the stamp). Since I now owned a SBR, I removed the SAB and installed a folding telescoping stock. Not a huge mistake on my part but I couldn't be sure that the ATF ruling would be reversed. It's the only registered firearm I own. I sincerely hope that the Hearing Protection Act bill gets introduced and passed- that would make suppressors much easier and cheaper!

Buddy of mine has a thing for SBRs so he had like 4 lowers registered free of charge. He says he is glad he did.

Rosewood

[smoothshooter]

Originally Posted by CAJUNLAWYER

Is the NRA going to be pushing a bill after the first of the year to once agaib try to get the Hearing Protection Act passed and to the executive desk?? Want to get one but it would really piss me off if I paid for the stamp and in three months -poof, suppressors are no longer NFA items.

I do not see suppressors ever being non NFA items.

[smoothshooter]

Originally Posted by ladder13

I’m with the nothing will happen voices. No NFA or national reciprocity.
Spend the $200, life is very short.
You won’t want/need just one either.

National Reciprocity ain’t happenin’.
Neither is the Hearing Protection Act.
Even if by some miracle either one did pass, the less free cities and states would simply ignore the new law and continue to arrest and prosecute as before.

[rosewood]

Originally Posted by smoothshooter

I do not see suppressors ever being non NFA items.

Supreme Court could very well do this if the right case gets before them. How can you tax a Constitutional right? I believe it was the Heller decision that said it can't be considered unusual or banned if it is in common use. We have 4-5 million Suppressors in the US today. Added 1.4 million in the 1st 6 months of 2024. That is common use. We shall see.

I am keeping my fingers crossed.

Rosewood

[gjgalligan]

Originally Posted by llowry61

I put them in a trust and have paperwork for my wife as a designated trustee so if anything happens to me, she isn't an immediate felon.

Assuming she doesn't know what to do with them (I think most wives would be clueless), what happens when she dies? Who becomes the felon then?

[ruggyh]

assumption and chauvinistic point of view
my wife has several

[LVSteve]

Originally Posted by smoothshooter

National Reciprocity ain’t happenin’.
Neither is the Hearing Protection Act.
Even if by some miracle either one did pass, the less free cities and states would simply ignore the new law and continue to arrest and prosecute as before.

You'd have to threaten to take California, Mass., and New York off the national electricity grid and deny them all federal money before they would capitulate.

[A10]

Originally Posted by LVSteve

You'd have to threaten to take California, Mass., and New York off the national electricity grid and deny them all federal money before they would capitulate.

I think that's a good idea regardless. And make them return the water to Arizona!

[BE Mike]

Originally Posted by Model 15-4ever

Then you weren't paying attention. Here's a breakdown of what he rescinded from Obama-era and prevented:

A Second Amendment Grade for President Trump So Far | The Heritage Foundation

He also appointed numerous pro-2A judges and SCOTUS justices, with the obvious beneficial results.\

Finally, you can't "executive order" either suppressors or CCW reciprocity. We have a democracy in this country and the laws have to be changed by Congress.

I agree that suppressors will have to wait until after national carry reciprocity, and other legislation frankly more important to the restoring freedom and prosperity to our Nation.

I read it. He put his finger in the dike, but I don't see where he actually improved it. It seems like there was a lot of political maneuvering and threatening. I can't see that there was much forward progress. Giving Donald the credit for decisions of appointed judges is a stretch. No doubt that we would have had the short end of the stick with a democrat (as creep Joe showed).

[smoothshooter]

Originally Posted by ruggyh

assumption and chauvinistic point of view
my wife has several

Nothing chauvinistic about that statement at all. It is the truth
99.9% of the time.

[rwsmith]

Criminals use mufflers on cars to make a quiet getaway. Therefore any non-criminal who wants a muffler on his car must have something illegal in mind.

[rosewood]

Originally Posted by rwsmith

Criminals use mufflers on cars to make a quiet getaway. Therefore any non-criminal who wants a muffler on his car must have something illegal in mind.

It is really a moral exercise. Those that assume you plan on doing something illegal, would be doing something illegal themselves. Same goes for lying. They would lie, so they assume all folks lie. Pretty common problem in the political realm. They cheat to win, so they assume everyone else cheats to win also.

Rosewood

[oink]

I have mixed feelings on this. Those that have worked the hood know it can be helpful to be able to hear the shooting when they're occurring.

[jeffrefrig]

I was picking up a in the South Hills area of PITTSBURGH and they have suppressors in stock. I can’t remember if the sales person said the wait time is two days or two hours, but I think the laws have changed. I might as well get one. It’ll give me something to read up on.

[ladder13]

Originally Posted by jeffrefrig

I was picking up a in the South Hills area of PITTSBURGH and they have suppressors in stock. I can’t remember if the sales person said the wait time is two days or two hours, but I think the laws have changed. I might as well get one. It’ll give me something to read up on.

Wait times are indeed down, but many suppressors are out of stock. There is a correlation in that.

[BB57]

Originally Posted by jeffrefrig

I was picking up a in the South Hills area of PITTSBURGH and they have suppressors in stock. I can’t remember if the sales person said the wait time is two days or two hours, but I think the laws have changed. I might as well get one. It’ll give me something to read up on.

Last spring I had a Form 4 back in less than 48 hours. Now, it’s running 2-3 weeks.

The major change was they switched from a strict first in, first out model. In other words if they had 10,000 back ground checks in the inbox and one of them was held up due to something in the background check, they’d hold all of the, up until that one cleared with either an approval or denial.

Now, they set any delays aside and move on to the next one and provided your electronic background check doesn’t trigger anything that requires follow up or deeper manual inquiry it’s just moved to the approved stack without having to wait for anything applications in front of yours to be cleared.

The 2-3 weeks delay now is just an artifact of a lot more applications coming through.

On the supply side, it’s a combination of:
- production shortages as makers debate how much they want to invest in increased staff and production capciaty to meet increased demand that may or may not persist long term; and
- ATF having delays giving approval to ship completed suppressors due to increased demand.

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De-listing suppressors should be a mixed bag. On the other hand it would eliminate bureaucratic delays and just require a normal NICS check.

On the other hand it potentially opens the market up to all kinds of low ball competitors that potentially sucks the profit margin right out of the room for suppressor manufacturers.

[rosewood]

Originally Posted by BB57

On the other hand it potentially opens the market up to all kinds of low ball competitors that potentially sucks the profit margin right out of the room for suppressor manufacturers.

And this is a bad thing? Win win to me. This is capitalism. Requiring permits and the government determine who gets to do business isn't.

[jakerudy]

Can't imagine the NYC assassination of the UHC CEO is going to make getting a suppressor any easier.

[rosewood]

Originally Posted by jakerudy

Can't imagine the NYC assassination of the UHC CEO is going to make getting a suppressor any easier.

Yeah, I had that same thought. Dang him!

[Beemer-mark]

Originally Posted by jakerudy

Can't imagine the NYC assassination of the UHC CEO is going to make getting a suppressor any easier.

NYTimes has a headline "Manhattan Shooter Used a Silencer. Nearly 5 Million Are Registered in the U.S." You can guess the content.

[smoothshooter]

Originally Posted by stansdds

I don't either. I think the best thing we could get would be an overhaul of the DOJ and all the other alphabet agencies.

That’s not going to happen either.
The Deep State is too deeply entrenched to be affected much by any reform measures.

[WCCPHD]

Originally Posted by Beemer-mark

NYTimes has a headline "Manhattan Shooter Used a Silencer. Nearly 5 Million Are Registered in the U.S." You can guess the content.

This will be front and center of the national news by tomorrow. The anti's will be screaming for suppressors to be banned.

[walnutred]

Originally Posted by WCCPHD

This will be front and center of the national news by tomorrow. The anti's will be screaming for suppressors to be banned.

You very well may be correct. However if that happens it will be interesting to hear what logical fallacies the Registration Does Not Lead to Confiscation arguments will take. On the other hand, today I received notice that my application for a suppressor was approved by the ATF. So far the longest delay in the purchase process was it took the company from whom I purchased the suppressor two weeks to get me the fingerprint kit.

[rosewood]

Originally Posted by WCCPHD

This will be front and center of the national news by tomorrow. The anti's will be screaming for suppressors to be banned.

Reckon what they will say if they find out it is home made?

[smoothshooter]

All the pushing in the world is not going to get suppressors legalized without a tax stamp and enhanced background check.
The regs might get loosened up a very little bit, but that’s it.
Suppressors are still very stigmatized by most people on both sides of the 2’nd Amendment issue.

[Gunsquirrel]

Originally Posted by Bald1

For New Yorkers we’ll only ever get suppressors if they come off the NFA list. They are completely banned. And even that would require more lawsuits

And just after the street assination that took place up there with the shooter using a silencer most probably will never happen...

[LVSteve]

Originally Posted by stansdds

I don't either. I think the best thing we could get would be an overhaul of the DOJ and all the other alphabet agencies.

Within the lifetime of a 4-year presidency with mid-terms? Not a chance.