NRA election coming up

[SethHaan]

Originally Posted by JeffKnox

You're absolutely right that lawyers serve an important purpose, and I understand that. My heartburn is over the number of lawyers involved, the costs being charged, and the lack of substantive results.
Ollie North was raising questions about their billings and efficacy all the way back in 2018. He tried to set up a special committee to look into the billings, but the LaPierre loyalists painted it as North trying to undermine the lawyers for the benefit of Ackerman McQueen, the PR firm.
I firmly believe the NY lawsuit could have been avoided, had the Board had good legal representation, good leadership, and the good of the organization as their top concern. After the suit was filed, it didn't take long for the judge to take dissolution off the table, and at that point, again, I believe the NRA could have gotten the mess settled and done with in short order. Instead, they kept fighting, filed for bankruptcy without even consulting the Board, were tossed out of bankruptcy court, and kept fighting right up to the bitter end, 5 years later. Paying somewhere between $2 million and $3 million PER MONTH to the lawyers for the entire time.
I know, it's easy to look back and say "You guys should have..." because hindsight is 20/20, but I was predicting all of this and giving this same advice back in 2018, 2019, 2020, through 2024.

Jeff Knox expects us to believe that dismissal of the motions to dissolve NRA and to place a monitor to oversee NRA are not substantive results, when those motions were the absolute substance of the lawsuit. He is such a gaslighter!

Once again Jeff Knox is wildly speculating and misrepresenting the facts. Regarding Ollie North, Jeff leaves out the fact that North was employed (mega bucks salary) by Ackerman McQueen while he was criticizing the billing of NRA lawyers who were suing Ackerman McQueen. Don’t you see a big problem of credibility there?

Then Jeff claims that the NY lawsuit could have been avoided. But he is not a lawyer and gives no explanation how he knows this. More speculating.

He wants you to believe that Letitia James could have been talked out of suing NRA! Really, after what she did to Trump, Jeff expects us to believe she would have backed off. Ridiculous.

Then Jeff grossly exaggerates when he says: “After the suit was filed, it didn't take long for the judge to take dissolution off the table”. But it took almost two years before the Judge dismissed the motion for dissolution. That was a long time. Jeff exaggerates again.

The Knox says: “and at that point, again, I believe the NRA could have gotten the mess settled and done with in short order” but he doesn’t say how this could have been done. No facts, no explanation.

And then incredibly Jeff Knox states: “Instead, they kept fighting, filed for bankruptcy…”

Here Jeff is losing it, this is totally false. NRA absolutely did not file for bankruptcy after the Judge dismissed the AG’s motion for dissolution of NRA.

Here is the problem with Jeff, he just blurts out whatever comes to mind without really considering the truthfulness of what he is saying. He wildly speculates without any explanation and he expects us to believe him.

Then Jeff Blames NRA for the legal bills. But he neglects to mention that the NY AG also cost Trump about the same amount in legal bills. Is Jeff going to tell us that Trump could have also gotten out of his lawsuit as well? Is jeff going to blame Trumps lawyers for charging too much?

Bottom line: most of what Jeff says is speculation and misrepresentation and bloviating and gaslighting. He has no credibility.

[Goldstar225]

Seth, as far as I'm concerned Jeff has more credibility than you have. Those whom you are championing were part of the problem in that they turned a blind eye to WLP and defended him to the bitter end. Even now make only mild comments about "mistakes" by past leadership.

Even though AG James had the intent to destroy the NRA she ultimately did us a favor by exposing the graft and corruption that was rampant and ignored by those you are supporting.

[SethHaan]

Originally Posted by Goldstar225

Seth, as far as I'm concerned Jeff has more credibility than you have. Those whom you are championing were part of the problem in that they turned a blind eye to WLP and defended him to the bitter end. Even now make only mild comments about "mistakes" by past leadership.

Even though AG James had the intent to destroy the NRA she ultimately did us a favor by exposing the graft and corruption that was rampant and ignored by those you are supporting.

Goldstar, unfortunately, everything that you have said is inaccurate. It is just more propaganda from Jeff Knox.

The fact is, and the court record shows, that the depredations of WLP and others were immediately stopped once they were discovered, long before AG James filed her lawsuit against NRA. So, nobody turned a blind eye to the shenanigans and nobody defended any illegal acts. The people that I support were part of the solution to the problem by supporting the necessary financial reforms to prevent any future shenanigans.

Remember that WLP was a co-defendant in the AG's lawsuit against NRA. So NRA Board and employees had to be very careful with what they might say about WLP and the ongoing case, up until just two months ago, when the trial finally ended.

You are completely wrong in your statement that AG James exposed "graft and corruption that was rampant and ignored". The fact is, and the court record shows, that the graft and corruption had been discovered and it had been terminated, well before AG James filed her lawsuit against NRA. So AG James exposed nothing.

[Matt_X]

SethHaan, Goldstar is right. Jeff Knox has more credibility than you. Let's face it. Jeff actually knows something about guns. He even had the decency to answer your novice question about "pocket guns". You can't answer my questions because you don't know anything about the subjects. Instead you have spent you're time here typing ad hominen attacks and insulting our intelligence. You have no credibility.
Case Closed.

[326MOD10]

I would have to agree with the above.

Mr. Haan you have been given the opportunity to identify yourself but you continue to refuse with vague answers or no answers.

Now I know the internet is a place we can all hide behind our fake identities BUT in this matter Mr. KNOX has provided his name and background since day 1.

If you want credibility then be credible.

[Goldstar225]

Originally Posted by SethHaan

Goldstar, unfortunately, everything that you have said is inaccurate. It is just more propaganda from Jeff Knox.

The fact is, and the court record shows, that the depredations of WLP and others were immediately stopped once they were discovered, long before AG James filed her lawsuit against NRA. So, nobody turned a blind eye to the shenanigans and nobody defended any illegal acts. The people that I support were part of the solution to the problem by supporting the necessary financial reforms to prevent any future shenanigans.

Remember that WLP was a co-defendant in the AG's lawsuit against NRA. So NRA Board and employees had to be very careful with what they might say about WLP and the ongoing case, up until just two months ago, when the trial finally ended.

You are completely wrong in your statement that AG James exposed "graft and corruption that was rampant and ignored". The fact is, and the court record shows, that the graft and corruption had been discovered and it had been terminated, well before AG James filed her lawsuit against NRA. So AG James exposed nothing.

So they kept their mouths shut until the case was over and continued to retain him for years in the position he abused until his ouster was mandated. RIGHT...

[JeffKnox]

Originally Posted by SethHaan

Jeff Knox expects us to believe that dismissal of the motions to dissolve NRA and to place a monitor to oversee NRA are not substantive results, when those motions were the absolute substance of the lawsuit. He is such a gaslighter!

Substantive, but 5 years late!

Originally Posted by SethHaan

Once again Jeff Knox is wildly speculating and misrepresenting the facts. Regarding Ollie North, Jeff leaves out the fact that North was employed (mega bucks salary) by Ackerman McQueen while he was criticizing the billing of NRA lawyers who were suing Ackerman McQueen. Don’t you see a big problem of credibility there?

And Seth leaves out the fact that Wayne personally recruited Ollie for the presidency and personally helped to negotiate Ollie's contract with Ackerman McQueen.
Ollie was working for FOX News, and whether contractually or on a conflict of interest basis, could not serve as President of NRA while working for FOX. Ollie also needed to maintain health insurance for his ailing wife (who, sadly, recently passed away), so he needed to be an employee on a company policy. Wayne solved these issues by arranging for Ollie to be an employee of Ackerman McQueen, producing programs for NRA TV, at a salary comparable with what he was being paid at FOX.
LaPierre and NRA later claimed NRA hadn't known about North's contract with Ack-Mac, and was refusing to provide NRA with a copy of the contract, yet I have seen emails between North's lawyer and John Frazer, agreeing to meet at NRA HQ for NRA to go over the details of the contract.
Was North conflicted?
I have no idea. I've personally always found him to be a very straightforward, stand-up guy. He was asking the Board to investigate what appeared to be unreasonably high bills from Brewer -- not calling for them to be fired or for the suit against Ack-Mac to be dismissed, just for the Board to audit the bills.
That seemed very reasonable to me.

Originally Posted by SethHaan

Then Jeff claims that the NY lawsuit could have been avoided. But he is not a lawyer and gives no explanation how he knows this. More speculating.

Yes, it's pure speculation.
Had the Board come together after the 2019 Members' Meeting (or before), and suspended or replaced Wayne LaPierre and anyone else involved in the financial chicanery, and immediately started backing out of all questionable contracts and payments, there would have been little to nothing for Letitia James to sue NRA about.

Originally Posted by SethHaan

He wants you to believe that Letitia James could have been talked out of suing NRA! Really, after what she did to Trump, Jeff expects us to believe she would have backed off. Ridiculous.

It's not a matter of talking Letitia James out of suing NRA, it's a matter of taking away the basis of her suit.

Originally Posted by SethHaan

Then Jeff grossly exaggerates when he says: “After the suit was filed, it didn't take long for the judge to take dissolution off the table”. But it took almost two years before the Judge dismissed the motion for dissolution. That was a long time. Jeff exaggerates again.

Well, you got me there... It did take a while between when the suit was filed and when the judge dismissed "the corporate death penalty," but let's remember that the suit was suspended for the entire time that the NRA was in bankruptcy court.
Within the context of the actual NY suit, the judge's decision to take dissolution off the table did indeed come in pretty short order after the suit was filed, within the timeline of that case.
Take out the bankruptcy and the new charges from James that came out of the bankruptcy testimony, and the dismissal of the dissolution request actually happened pretty early in the process.

Originally Posted by SethHaan

The Knox says: “and at that point, again, I believe the NRA could have gotten the mess settled and done with in short order” but he doesn’t say how this could have been done. No facts, no explanation.

BY FIRING LaPierre and taking steps to correct and reverse the corrupt things LaPierre and company had done!
At no point in the almost 5 years of the trial, did the NRA or its attorneys ever approach the NY AG with any sort of settlement proposal. Instead, they reelected LaPierre each year, and kept his most ardent supporters in every key position on the Board.

Originally Posted by SethHaan

And then incredibly Jeff Knox states: “Instead, they kept fighting, filed for bankruptcy…”

Here Jeff is losing it, this is totally false. NRA absolutely did not file for bankruptcy after the Judge dismissed the AG’s motion for dissolution of NRA.

Got me again! Mia culpa! NRA did in fact file for bankruptcy before the judge issued that order... How misleading of me!

Originally Posted by SethHaan

Here is the problem with Jeff, he just blurts out whatever comes to mind without really considering the truthfulness of what he is saying. He wildly speculates without any explanation and he expects us to believe him.

Yes, I just "blurt," and occasionally get some events crisscrossed or out of order, which is clearly the same as intentionally lying... I guess?

Originally Posted by SethHaan

Then Jeff Blames NRA for the legal bills. But he neglects to mention that the NY AG also cost Trump about the same amount in legal bills. Is Jeff going to tell us that Trump could have also gotten out of his lawsuit as well? Is jeff going to blame Trumps lawyers for charging too much?

Why would I "mention" Donald Trump's legal bills? We're talking about the NRA, not Trump.
I have said from the beginning that Letitia James' attacks on the NRA were politically motivated. That James is a devious political animal looking for a feather in her cap at NRA's expense.
BUT... And this is a big Tish James-size BUT... Wayne LaPierre and the NRA Board handed her everything she needed to charge corruption and malfeasance, on a golden platter. Had NRA been squeaky clean, or even clearly in the process of becoming squeaky clean, by removing LaPierre, reworking contracts, and thoroughly cleaning house, the suit would have gone nowhere, even if James had insisted on pursuing it.
I believe that if the NRA Board had done what they should have done, and what I called on them to do back in 2019 -- seriously cleaning house -- Tish James very likely would have declared victory and walked away.
I would have hated allowing her to do that, but it would have been better than having NRA dragged through the mud for 5 years with our dirty laundry at the top of the flag pole.

Originally Posted by SethHaan

Bottom line: most of what Jeff says is speculation and misrepresentation and bloviating and gaslighting. He has no credibility.

Of course there's a lot of speculation in my comments and my past articles. That's the nature of predictions and after action reviews. I think it's worth noting that I have been a Life Member of NRA, deeply involved in the inner workings of the Association for over 40 years, and that anyone can go back and look at my articles over the years and see that my tune hasn't changed and my predictions have been surprisingly accurate.

The other point I'd like to address is Seth's repeated declarations that his candidates Fixed Everything as soon as the corruption was detected... Yes, they absolutely did a lot of policy revisions and changes, but they were absolutely intransigent when it came to addressing the people involved. They didn't fire Wayne LaPierre or Josh Powell or Millie Hallow. They didn't file suit against Woodie Phillips or any of the others for their "excess benefits," and they didn't hold accountable the members of the Board who were tasked with detecting, preventing, and correcting all of this stuff.
Charles Cotton and David Coy were Chair and Vice Chair of the Audit Committee and member and Chair of the Finance Committee for over 20 years leading up to this crisis, and what did the Board do? They made them President and Vice President of the Association, and kept them in their committee assignments!!!
Personnel is policy. You can change policies all you want, but if you leave the same people in charge of executing those policies, you'll always get the same results.
I really hope we're done with this thread, as I'm getting tired of typing.
Thanks guys.
Jeff

[somorris]

Thank you for your time and your typing, Jeff. A wise woman I know says that if someone shows you who they are, believe them. Talk is cheap, but most of us out here in the hinterland have seen first hand what the NRA Board has allowed to happen to our organization and the massive damage they have done. Say what you want, actions speak much louder than words!

[SethHaan]

Well we're not quite done with this issue.



Jeff stated: "Had the Board come together after the 2019 Members' Meeting (or before), and suspended or replaced Wayne LaPierre and anyone else involved in the financial chicanery, and immediately started backing out of all questionable contracts and payments, there would have been little to nothing for Letitia James to sue NRA about."
But this is not a realistic possibility. The essence of Letitia James lawsuit allegations were for acts that took place well before 2019, so it is wrong to say that she would have little to nothing to sue about.
Jeff later states: "Had NRA been squeaky clean, or even clearly in the process of becoming squeaky clean, by removing LaPierre, reworking contracts, and thoroughly cleaning house, the suit would have gone nowhere, even if James had insisted on pursuing it."
However, NRA did make substantial reforms beginning in 2018, which were recognized by the Judge in his rationale for dismissing the request for a monitor. These reforms did include contract issues among many other issues. But again the lawsuit was for acts that occurred substantially prior to this time frame, So there was no opportunity for a cleanup. So it is wrong to claim that NRA missed an opportunity to escape the lawsuit.
The facts are that the financial improprieties ceased not long after the reforms began in 2018 and most certainly there were none by the time that Letitia James filed her lawsuit in 2020. And there have been no further recurrances of financial improprieties since that time. Yet the lawsuit was allowed to proceed.

[Waldo]

Seth, I am very familiar with Jeff Knox. I met and talked to his father. I also voted for both Jeff and his father in any NRA election they were involved in. I have never heard of you. I cannot find out anything about you. In view of what has happened with the NRA leadership in the last few years, how do I know you are not a shill for the status quo? In others words, why should I believe an anonymous internet poster over someone I have been aware of and agreed with for many years?

[Krogen]

Originally Posted by Waldo

Seth, I am very familiar with Jeff Knox. I met and talked to his father. I also voted for both Jeff and his father in any NRA election they were involved in. I have never heard of you. I cannot find out anything about you. In view of what has happened with the NRA leadership in the last few years, how do I know you are not a shill for the status quo? In others words, why should I believe an anonymous internet poster over someone I have been aware of and agreed with for many years?

You hit the x-ring, Waldo. He has done nothing here except throw disrespect on Jeff Knox. Jeff is forthright and trustworthy. Take a look at "Seth's" posts. Apparently he joined here with a single purpose; to skew the NRA elections. He has failed to answer any questions as to his qualifications or identity. And he had done this on other forums. You called it, Waldo.

[Krogen]

Originally Posted by SethHaan

Well we're not quite done with this issue.
<snip>

Well, yes "we" are.

I'm done with your vitriol and refusal to identify yourself. You now have a prominent place on my ignore list.

You have fouled your nest.

[JeffKnox]

Originally Posted by SethHaan

Well we're not quite done with this issue.

Jeff stated: "Had the Board come together after the 2019 Members' Meeting (or before), and suspended or replaced Wayne LaPierre and anyone else involved in the financial chicanery, and immediately started backing out of all questionable contracts and payments, there would have been little to nothing for Letitia James to sue NRA about."
But this is not a realistic possibility. The essence of Letitia James lawsuit allegations were for acts that took place well before 2019, so it is wrong to say that she would have little to nothing to sue about.
Jeff later states: "Had NRA been squeaky clean, or even clearly in the process of becoming squeaky clean, by removing LaPierre, reworking contracts, and thoroughly cleaning house, the suit would have gone nowhere, even if James had insisted on pursuing it."
However, NRA did make substantial reforms beginning in 2018, which were recognized by the Judge in his rationale for dismissing the request for a monitor. These reforms did include contract issues among many other issues. But again the lawsuit was for acts that occurred substantially prior to this time frame, So there was no opportunity for a cleanup. So it is wrong to claim that NRA missed an opportunity to escape the lawsuit.
The facts are that the financial improprieties ceased not long after the reforms began in 2018 and most certainly there were none by the time that Letitia James filed her lawsuit in 2020. And there have been no further recurrances of financial improprieties since that time. Yet the lawsuit was allowed to proceed.

Holy cow! What are you smoking?!?

The corruption was detected in 2018 and corrective action was taken... BUT Wayne LaPierre was left in charge! Wayne's cronies were left in place! The Directors who were supposed to have noticed, prevented, and corrected financial problems were not only left in place, they were elevated!

In 2019, after the article exposing Wayne's corruption broke, the Board reelected Wayne as EVP.
Shortly thereafter, I wrote an article stating that the Board had two choices: 1. Get Wayne gone -- by firing him, convincing him to resign, or otherwise forcing him out, do the same with his cronies and culpable members of the Board, do a thorough, transparent audit and housecleaning, and be prepared to stand naked before the members and any court as the victim of abuse by senior leadership.
OR
2. Circle the wagons around Wayne LaPierre and keep circling right down the drain.

They chose option 2.

Speaking with Bob Mensinger, NRA's new Chief Compliance Officer, shortly after I was elected to the Board in May of 2024, he expressed his frustration with the clique system within the NRA. He told me that in his decades of experience in the corporate world and government, when there was a scandal with evidence of corruption, the first step was always to wipe the slate clean, fire, or at least suspend, everyone even tertiarily involved, then sift through the wreckage and start rebuilding. Instead, the NRA was determined to cling to the people at the heart of the scandal.

I'm convinced that "Seth" is, or is very close to, a Director who was in the middle of this scandal. One of the people who "fixed everything," while refusing to hold anyone (including themselves) accountable.
They remind me of the guy who spends a couple of hundred thousand dollars on an exotic car that lives in the auto shop running up repair bills, but he has too much invested to admit it was a bad purchase, so he invites you to sit in the car, feel the comfort of the seats, and listen to the killer stereo, while the car sits in the shop with its engine in pieces on the bench.

NRA "leaders" failed. They didn't hold people accountable when they needed to. They followed a seriously flawed legal strategy. They spent hundreds of millions of dollars they shouldn't have. And now they simply can't admit that they were wrong.

Onward... -- Jeff

[ladder13]

Your side is toast “Seth”, hang it up.

[rwsmith]

...since I was on this thread due to circumstances. I'm really glad I came back.

[SethHaan]

So above, I pointed out many statements made by Jeff Knox that were not true and he has admitted that his statements were not true. See above admissions.

So now that he has admitted that he has been misleading you, he attempts to divert the issue by pointing his finger at other board members that voted for Wayne LaPierre. But he fails to tell you that most of the leaders and board member supporters of the group of candidates that he is recommending also voted for Wayne LaPierre.

In addition, one of the leaders of the group that Jeff Knox supports is actually banned from serving on the NRA Audit committee because of his past board service during the Wayne LaPierre era. Another of these leaders of the group that Knox supports wrote an article online praising Wayne LaPierre. And another leader of the group that Knox supports actually praised Wayne LaPierre on the day he resigned.

[Matt_X]

Originally Posted by SethHaan

So...praised Wayne LaPierre on the day he resigned.

You "answer" Jeff Knox because you can't answer us. It just happens that we can read and recognize the difference in hyperbole, irony, and sarcasm from the factual portions. So we don't need you to tell us what Jeff Knox wrote.

And we long ago tired of your vague allegations. I know someone who said something to a friend of a friend. Save that BS for your bar buddies.

It's obvious you're a shill who knows nothing about firearms and marksmanship, nevermind Smith and Wessons.

[stansdds]

Originally Posted by Matt_X

You "answer" Jeff Knox because you can't answer us. It just happens that we can read and recognize the difference in hyperbole, irony, and sarcasm from the factual portions. So we don't need you to tell us what Jeff Knox wrote.

And we long ago tired of your vague allegations. I know someone who said something to a friend of a friend. Save that BS for your bar buddies.

It's obvious you're a shill who knows nothing about firearms and marksmanship, nevermind Smith and Wessons.

Well said.

[JeffKnox]

I dare Seth to name a person that I have endorsed in this election who was in any way complicit, culpable, or involved with support of Wayne LaPierre during this fiasco.

While I'm absolutely willing to work with anyone who wants to move the NRA in the same direction I am pushing it, I very specifically made it a point to not endorse anyone who was on the Board during the malfeasance.

Four of Seth's candidates are past or present presidents, with three of them already on the Executive Council, meaning they have all rights and privileges of Directors, except a vote, for life, even if they're not elected to the Board. Four or five more are long-time (10 to 20 years or more) directors, and 4 or 5 are fairly new to the Board, with 4 who are new candidates.

Counting the two write-in candidates being promoted by the NRA 2.0 group, there are 51 candidates vying for 28 seats in this election. (In reality, there are at least two sitting Directors who are on their way out, so 30 seats will be directly filled by this election, plus the also-rans will vie for the one-year, 76th Director seat, making it 31.)

Vote for the candidates you think will do the best job for our members, regardless of whose list they are on. But my main advice is that you Don't Vote For ANYONE who was present and silent during the reign of Wayne LaPierre.

Onward...

Jeff

[Grayfox]

I've just returned to this thread after quite a while. My ballot was sent in long ago. And I did follow NRA 2.0s recommendations.
WOW! Things sure have gotten nasty. This Seth guy is a world class ***. Can't prove it, but I'm getting the impression that he's one of the old time, corrupt board members that's trying to save his own butt and keep his illicit money flowing.
Despite several requests to identify himself, he refuses to do so. That in itself says loads about his character or rather lack of.
So Mr. Haan, as others have said, you have zero credibility here. I hope you get booted out on your butt.

[somorris]

Good news, guys! The reform candidates were elected to 19 of the 28 open Board seats. The NRA is coming back to life and to being the organization we all need!

[326MOD10]

Great news!

And that is why you vote for all you want to win as a group and not just 5 at a time.

Hopefully it pays off.

[smoothshooter]

Originally Posted by DWalt

I have always wondered the same thing. I’d believe many, if not most, don’t contribute much worthwhile beyond showing up for meetings. I am always in a quandary over who to vote for as all I know is what their mini-bios say, and they may not be factual. Normally I vote for only a few on the ballot who seem to be little more impressive.

Do these board members get paid?
If so, maybe it’s time for a visit from Elon Musk.

[6string]

My wife and I have been NRA life members for a very long time.

25 years ago, we were excited to be part of the NRA. We participated on many levels and were proud to be part of their work.
The last several years, though, have obviously been a mess.

Despite this year’s “important” election, we have seen and read nothing by any of the candidates besides ugly bickering and vague accusations.
The website listed in the original post was useless from the standpoint of campaign issues.
If you want people to vote for you, they need a reason to do so beyond accusations against other candidates.

So, our ballots, along with the magazines they came in, went in the trash. We just let it slip by.

Oh well.

Whoever is running the show now at the NRA: good luck.
We miss you.

[stansdds]

I will likely get my knuckles rapped for posting this, but I will do it anyway! For those who know that the NRA board lost its way, do you really think that by not voting for new board members that the board will magically turn around? In my opinion, by doing nothing, you are endorsing the current board. I'm guessing that you also do not vote in political elections for the same reason.

[6string]

Originally Posted by stansdds

I will likely get my knuckles rapped for posting this, but I will do it anyway! For those who know that the NRA board lost its way, do you really think that by not voting for new board members that the board will magically turn around? In my opinion, by doing nothing, you are endorsing the current board. I'm guessing that you also do not vote in political elections for the same reason.

Good point.
But, it seemed like nobody made their case.
Was it really “vote for these guys because they’re not the other guys”?
For me, that didn’t seem very convincing. The last few issues of AR were of no help either.
For the most part, it felt like a campaign of mudslinging.
Making an informed choice didn’t seem possible.

Maybe I wasn’t clear, but, we weren’t protesting by not voting. We tried to figure out. Then, we just forgot about it.

I guess we’ll see how things turn out.
But, your point is well taken.
I probably made a mistake and should’ve tried harder. Maybe there was more to find out through “NRA 2.0”.

[serger]

My attitude with MY vote was to xxxxcan as many
of the known clowns who let Waynus buy suits as
possible.

It's kinda like voting for district court judges. If
you can't recall anything good they have done,
don't reelect them. Put somebody else in. Now,
all the legacy cretins who are left may rethink
their past actions.

[375hh1973]

The NRA is still a thing?

[ladder13]

Originally Posted by 375hh1973

The NRA is still a thing?

I think they’ve been surpassed by the “smaller” groups fighting in the courts and state legislatures but we’ll soon find out.