.22 long cartridge in a model 17

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I was shooting a box of cci .22 long the other day from my Marlin 39 rifle and it was a nice quiet round from that gun; accurate too
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I live where the neighbor's are a little close by so it's nice to have a low noise round to plink with.

Anyone shoot this round from a model 17 ?

I have a 17-2 I'd like to try this round in and wondered how these revolvers do with the .22 long as opposed to the high velocity .22 long rifle ammo.
 
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You will likely find that the noise will not be as reduced in the revolver as it was in the rifle. The short barrel and cylinder gap will still release a bunch of high pressure gas and that is where the noise comes from.

The 22 long is loaded in the same case as the long rifle so it shouldn't leave any carbon rings in the wrong place in the cylinder. I don't really know what you'll get for accuracy.

Ward
 
Thanks Ward.

Curious to see if anyone has experienced better accuracy at 25 yds with the lower velocity round.
 
I recently chronoed some CCI CB Long ammo from a Ruger 22/45 and a 10-22. I don't know if that is what you are using, but I was pretty disappointed. From the 4" Ruger pistol, it averaged 390 fps. with an extreme spread of 169 fps. over 5 rounds. From the 10-22, it ran an average of 608 fps. with an ES of 146 fps. I would have a little concern about sticking a bullet in the barrel of a 17. It was certainly quiet, though.

No, it did not feed in either; I hand-cycled them.
 
There is a significant difference between the CB Long and the "full-power" .22 Long. I agree the regular Long will not be much quieter than a .22 LR, but the CB long will be.
 
If you want it REALLY quiet, try the CCI subsonics. They'd be perfect for a lever-gun too.
 
The box I have does in fact say CB long. Out of my lever action it was as quiet as a cap gun.

I don't own a semi-auto 22 so I don't need to worry about auto-cycling.
and I certainly don't want to get one stuck in my 17-2.

Just wanted to know if anyone out there uses this ammo specifically in a 17 and what the accuracy was like.
 
Casehardn said:
The box I have does in fact say CB long. Out of my lever action it was as quiet as a cap gun.

I don't own a semi-auto 22 so I don't need to worry about auto-cycling.
and I certainly don't want to get one stuck in my 17-2.

Just wanted to know if anyone out there uses this ammo specifically in a 17 and what the accuracy was like.
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I tried some in my 17 no dash several years ago. They were not as accurate as LRs in my revolver but that was @ 25 yards as I remember. They might be great @ 50 feet.
 
The CB is much quieter in a longer barrel with a closed action - lever, bolt, pump; but not an auto. It is the rapidly expanding high pressure gasses that make the noise.

If you shoot CB's in a handgun they will not be as quiet as if you shoot them in a locked breech rifle. You will also find that some gas will escape out of the breech of a semiauto and therefore the autos will not be as quiet as the others.

So if you want to be quiet when shooting a 22, then get yourself a nice 22 rifle with a long barrel and a closed breech and you will be right on track. I use an older Remington bolt action single shot with a 24" barrel and a scope and it is deadly on rabbits in my wife's garden.

Ward
 
As far as accuracy goes, the CB Long is shooting the 29g bullet, same as loaded in the short. The twist rate of the rifling is set up generally at 1 turn in 16" for a 40g lr bullet and 1 turn in 20" for a 22 short 29g bullet. This tells me the 29g bullet will not be as accurate as the 40g that the M 17 is set up for. I used some deduction reasoning to get to this conclusion ... no I did not measure the twist rate of the M 17.

Individual guns will vary and the short bullet may be accurate enough for your purposes in the M 17. Accuracy is a relative thing, especially out of a handgun.


Charlie
 
Well, I just came back from my hunting club and the 22 CB long performed just fine in my 17-2 at 50 ft.
I fired several groupings which were 2.5, 2.25, 2.365 and the best which was 2.125.
When I got home, I set up one of those small ground hog targets that shows yellow where the bullet hits.
Another 2.25 group confirmed.

The noise from the CB long in the model 17-2 was a little louder than the CB long fired from my rifle, but not as loud as a .22lr subsonic from my rifle. Somewhere in between those two.
I think I have found a nice cheap round for backyard plinking, without the noise of the 22lr.
 
Years ago a hobbyist supplier of ammunition and reloading components had a supply of Winchester Super-X high velocity .22 Longs with 29 grain copper plated bullets and I would buy them from him by the carton. They shot well in my 8 3/8-inch Model 17. I shot up a number of cartons of these longs, mostly for plinking purposes. I harvested cottontails and squirrels with them on occasion and they worked fine for the purpose as well as taking care of the odd pesky varmint.

I checked their performance over the chronograph and they yielded 1072 fps, 74 ft./lbs of energy, and with an extreme spread of 69 fps.

From a Winchester Model 57 rifle with a 22-inch barrel they clocked 1204 fps, 93 ft./lbs. of energy, with an extreme spread of 37 fps.
 
bmcgilvary, Sounds like a nice round.

The CB longs from CCI, I had to look up online, there was no performance info on the box I had. Their website posted the CB long at 710 fps with 32 ft-lbs energy. I guess that's why they are so quiet. But I'm still happy about them being accurate at 50 ft, Just gives me one more round I can use confidently in my 17.
I think this will be what I start my son at when he is old enough to learn.
 
Casehardn said:
Well, I just came back from my hunting club and the 22 CB long performed just fine in my 17-2 at 50 ft.
I fired several groupings which were 2.5, 2.25, 2.365 and the best which was 2.125.
When I got home, I set up one of those small ground hog targets that shows yellow where the bullet hits.
Another 2.25 group confirmed.

The noise from the CB long in the model 17-2 was a little louder than the CB long fired from my rifle, but not as loud as a .22lr subsonic from my rifle. Somewhere in between those two.
I think I have found a nice cheap round for backyard plinking, without the noise of the 22lr.
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Glad they worked out for you! I bought the same load originally to shoot Grouse with my Model 34, which I carried on Elk hunts. I was looking for something quieter than the Long Rifles I was using. They DO have their uses.
 
:)if you really want quiet, buy the aquila super colibri, 20gr. bullet and an ely primer and no power, quieter than a cap gun and enough oomph to get rid of the yard pests,(out to about 10yds.with a head shot) they say not to shoot them out of a rifle but i do anyway, you can watch the bullet in flight sometimes. and they are quite accurate. :)
 
I agree with kenjen...just listen for squibs when shooting that particular round...more common with rifles than pistols because of barrel length. Just a bit louder than a cap gun in fact I don't even use ear muffs when shooting super colibri.
 
Kenjen and What The beat me to it. I've found nothing better than the Aguila Super Colibri. They came out with the "Super", with slightly more priming compound, because of fears that the regular Colibri bullet might stick in some long rifle barrels. The Supers are recommended for both rifle and handgun.

Noise? They are not as loud as most air guns. The Supers are very slightly louder than the discontinued regulars, but it's almost imperceptable. From a rifle, you can't even call it noise. On a still day, you hear the "thunk" of bullet against squirrel head, above the sound of the rifle discharge. That's good enough for me. Who needs a silencer?

Accuracy? I zero my Favorite, with a 16.25" barrel I built, at 30 feet and about a 45 degree downward angle. Target is a dime size magic marker black circle. The group stays inside it, always, just a ragged hole.

Power? They always cleanly penetrate 1/4" plywood and usually lodge in the next sheet. Goes through the head of a squirrel.

Velocity? Who cares? They get the job done. With the right light and background, I can also see a .22 LR in flight at 1150 FPS.

Sights? I use a good old Weaver B4. It's cheap and it holds zero.

Effectiveness? These will take care of any small garden or yard pest. You need only do head shots, because of outstanding short range accuracy. I've laid in a good supply, in case they stop making it. I have never used any other CB-type ammo which was this accurate and consistent.
 
I've used the Aguila Super Colibris from my K-22 Masterpiece to dipatch opposums on two occasions recently, with head shots at close range. If used on these critters it's a good idea to observe them for a while after shooting, because they will play 'possum. But these make handy little rounds in town where you don't want to arouse the neighbors, while elminating a pest. Greg
 
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