New .40 ammo: PMC Bronze 165 gr solid and HPR 180 gr JHP

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I have used PMC, it was the only 40 cal ammo at my local range. Had a few ftf out of 300 rounds. I have been using speer lawman for a while now and it has been totally reliable. I don't think I'll buy anything else.
 
Personally I'd skip the HPR ammo for SD and use a known performer like Gold Dots, HST, Golden Saber etc.

I'll never trust a new unknown brand of ammo for serious use.
 
CTG_COLLECTOR said:
Personally I'd skip the HPR ammo for SD and use a known performer like Gold Dots, HST, Golden Saber etc.

I'll never trust a new unknown brand of ammo for serious use.
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I keep golden saber at home and use federal or lawman on the range. No complaints with the cheap stuff on my end. They both do their job. Ive never fired the golden saber before and i hope i never have to.
 
I am loaded with Federal .40 S&W 180 grain HST JHP XM40HC.

Hot sheeets right there. Used by U.S. Border Patrol apparently. The expansion is nearly 3/4"!!!

:eek::D:);):cool:
 
i was advised that deep-seated 180gr ammunition was not the ideal round to be fired from my SW40VE. 180gr ammunition is loaded a little on the weak side in order to keep a given load below SAAMI specification and it alters the volume of space in the casing where the chemical reaction occurs and pressure is built. He insisted that the 165gr consistantly travels with more energy and more speed than 180gr.

If anyone could chime in and verify the authenticity of the information i was given please do.

I use 180gr FMJ on the range and it does feel a bit less consistant but i attributed that to the "you get what you pay for" kinda thing. 180gr cost half as much the Golden Saber 165gr and theres twice as many rounds. Somethings gotta give. My guess was performance. I was also told that if i changed my barrel to a 1-in-14 twist it noticeably improves accuracy with 180gr, but I personally havent tried.
 
627 city hunter said:
I would like to know the answer to this myself.
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Well i took 180, 165, and 155gr rounds to the range on friday to see for myself. 155 and 165gr was very consistent but when I loaded the 180gr my accuracy went to ****. My form was proper and the rounds were still landing inconsistently on the target. For example a round would land say an 1'' low and to the right from where I had aimed. I would adjust fire and make my correction and the next round would again land in the wrong place. I didn't have these problems with the 155 and 165gr, every time I made an adjustment the round would land in the appropriate location. I never got "dialed in" or very comfortable with the 180gr. Kinda got mad and I just let my two brothers empty the rest of it.
 
We The People said:
i was advised that deep-seated 180gr ammunition was not the ideal round to be fired from my SW40VE. 180gr ammunition is loaded a little on the weak side in order to keep a given load below SAAMI specification and it alters the volume of space in the casing where the chemical reaction occurs and pressure is built. He insisted that the 165gr consistantly travels with more energy and more speed than 180gr.

If anyone could chime in and verify the authenticity of the information i was given please do.

I use 180gr FMJ on the range and it does feel a bit less consistant but i attributed that to the "you get what you pay for" kinda thing. 180gr cost half as much the Golden Saber 165gr and theres twice as many rounds. Somethings gotta give. My guess was performance. I was also told that if i changed my barrel to a 1-in-14 twist it noticeably improves accuracy with 180gr, but I personally havent tried.
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The 40 S&W cartridge was designed around the 180gr truncated bullet as a standard, so all .40 pistols are designed around the standard 180gr load. All .40/180gr bullets measure roughly around the same length and all such loads have roughly the same overall cartridge length (OAL). If you are finding some of your cartridges that have 180gr bullets seated deeper than others, those shorter cartridges have bullet set-back (bullets that have been seated or shoved down deeper into the case than it should be). The OAL for the .40/180gr load should be roughly 1.135".

If you or anyone else is having accuracy problems with a certain bullet weight/brand, I suggest trying other brands. Sometimes a pistol just doesn't like a certain brand/bullet design.
 
CTG_COLLECTOR said:
The 40 S&W cartridge was designed around the 180gr truncated bullet as a standard, so all .40 pistols are designed around the standard 180gr load. All .40/180gr bullets measure roughly around the same length and all such loads have roughly the same overall cartridge length (OAL). If you are finding some of your cartridges that have 180gr bullets seated deeper than others, those shorter cartridges have bullet set-back (bullets that have been seated or shoved down deeper into the case than it should be). The OAL for the .40/180gr load should be roughly 1.135".

If you or anyone else is having accuracy problems with a certain bullet weight/brand, I suggest trying other brands. Sometimes a pistol just doesn't like a certain brand/bullet design.
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i tried Federal 180gr, Lawman 180gr, and Remington 180gr and I had accuracy issues with all 3. Remington seemed to be more consistant but not by much
 
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