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Originally Posted by CTG_COLLECTOR
I've never heard of Winchester using copper plated 9mm bullets before. What is it that makes you believe the bullet was copper plated? Are you positive that this was an actual Winchester factory load and not some reloads that were placed in a WWB box (or claimed by the shooter to be "factory" loaded ammo)?
Well you've heard of it now, scooter! I highly resent your attitude toward my heads up. I really don't care what you've never heard of. I've been handloading for 25 yrs. and know what happened.
You may have hit upon something here...a vast left wing conspiracy to substitute inferior goods for real Winchester ammo!! I think you should start an investigation...go for it bunky.
Bob, there's absolutely no reason to get upset nor is there any reason for you to get personal about it. I merely asked several questions to try and clarify some of your comments as to why you said that Winchester was using plated bullets, and you go on a personal attack against me. So, lets try this again.
Like I stated before, I have never seen any Win 9mm product that uses a copper plated bullet instead of the standard gilding metal jacket over a lead core (excluding their BEB range ammo and any frangible training ammo). And it seems that you are very adamant that this squib load that the shooter in question encountered was a copper plated (not gilding metal jacketed) bullet and that it was a Winchester WWB product. Am I correct so far?
You stated that on the squib bullet you could tell it was plated because enough of the copper plating had rubbed off. Okay, I'll take your word on it that it was actually a plated bullet.
Now comes the very specific questions:
How is it that you
personally determined that the ammo being used by the shooter, and specifically the squib round itself, was
in fact actual Winchester factory produced ammo/round?
Did you see the actual box that this squib round came from? Did you recover the actual empty case from this specific squib round? Was it a WIN headstamped case? Did you inspect the remaining ammo that the shooter was using that day and was each round using the same plated bullet and were all the cases headstamped the same? What bullet weight was it, 115, 124 or 147 grains?
In reality, the only way that you can be fairly sure that it was factory Winchester ammo is if you saw the shooter buy that ammo from the store and load it directly into that pistol at the range.
I have many doubts that what this shooter was using, and what you proclaim the ammo to be, was actual factory loaded Winchester USA brand (erroneously labeled by many as "WWB") ammo. And I highly doubt Winchester is loading copper plated bullets for any of their 9mm loads. But then I may be completely wrong.
I would definately like to see any actual factory Win USA 9mm load(s) that have actual copper plated bullets. So if anyone has any recently purchased Win USA 9mm ammo that actually DOES have such bullets, please feel free to post pics of the rounds, pulled bullets to verify that they're plated and the box it came from. Such photos will help prove/disprove whether Winchester has actually started using plated bullets instead of standard gilding metal jacketed bullets.
BTW, what has plated bullets have to do with a squib round anyway? Is ther some relationship between plated bullets and squibs? Just asking...
