Anyone care shooting with russian made ammo? If yes this is good reading about possible ban on it by Obama. I don't buy anything made in Russia besides 7.62 for my AK Saiga.


BREAKING: Obama Executive Order Freezes Russian Arms Dealers, May Stop All Russian Firearms, Ammo and Gun Parts Importation | The Truth About Guns

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I have a whole spam can of ammo for my bolt action, shoulder dislocating Mosin Nagant so, I think I'm good for awhile. Everything else I own, uses domestically made ammo.

There's a thread over on Sig about the Kalashnikov/Siaga rifles too.

From that source: BREAKING: Obama Administration Bans Import of Izhmash & Kalashnikov (Saiga) Firearms | The Truth About Guns


The stroke of a pen.

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Sorry - double post on the link.

I remember when the stroke of a pen ended Chinese imports. My crystal ball had this coming in late November.

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Chinese imports... Russian imports... When the Hell did we get in bed with the Russians and Chicoms anyway? When we were able to buy dirty, cheap, cheaply made ammo (and guns) from them by the crate, that's when. Ivan and Mao are not stupid. They know we vote with our wallet.
Why not buy Federal ammo and Century Arms guns? Oh, they cost more. Lemmee guess - "When Americans can make AK's and 7.62 as cheaply as the Russians and Chinese, I'll buy it." Of course they're cheap - Russian peasant labor and Chinese prison labor doesn't cost much.

Is this the new standard?

Let it be banned. I'll bite the bullet (see what I did there?) and buy American ammo and guns, thank you!

No no no. Let's leave Century arms where they belong. ...in the land fill. Their imports are fine if that specific item is what you want. But they also bring in parts kits and build guns. Drunk chimps can do a better job. Let's start with the warranty. It starts the day the rifle ships not the day you buy it. So if it sat in a warehouse for 11 months you get one more month. Although this has changed fairly recently. Second, they outsource their build to the lowest priced bidder. What you get is incorrectly installed barrels, wrong twist rate, oversized pin hole, pins walking out, missing parts, and a host of other problems. On their Tantal (Polish AK74) builds they installed 5 56 barrels because it was readily available. Wrong twist rate but since 5.56 and 5.45 are kinda close they said it was good enough. It's not. 5.45 needs a 1/8.5 twist. Their product key holed at any distance and they wouldn't warranty it saying that it was ment to do that. Then later saying the buyer should use different ammo. Their Czech VZ58 is missing a tab on the bolt carrier that is required to reset the striker. It's a 50/50 if yours resets. This is just a small metal tab. They grind the mag releases in their Saiga conversations instead of just lowering it. Fits correctly for the mag supplied...but only that mag. All other mags are either too tight requiring a malet to take out or they hang loose. The FAL builds are a mix of metric and standard parts. They are ground to fit so good luck changing parts later. The HK rifles....oh my....Those rifles are delayed roller action. Eventually the rollers need replacing and after that the bolt needs replacing. Their parts kits are already well used but instead of replacing the rollers or the bolt they grind the bolt to force the headspace. The chambers are also often out of spec. But hey its made in America, that alone should make it function true.

I want to see an American company build chrome lined, hammer forged barrels. At least hammer forged. How about some properly built mags? Not the Tapco excuse for a mag

So yea I would rather buy a properly built rifle from "Ivan" or "Mao" before I hand several hundred dollars to that company and get a Butcher hack monkey job.

It's not peasant labor. Maybe the wages ate not on par with American union factory workers but it's far from peasants with hammers.

So what's the warranty on your Shanghai Special?

My Shanghai special has yet to break. And when it does I have parts o fix it. I'm not worried about parts that were ground down to fit. However, they are warrantied by the manufacturer. Just send it back to the importer or their supplier

My friend, any response I could make would be political in nature. And besides, it's too beautiful a day to get into an argument of this nature. Peace be with you.

Yea I'm only arguing on the merits of quality and what you get for your money. Politically it's a different animal.

It is a nice day out but would be nicer if I wasn't stuck at work.

Enjoy your day

The sanctions are the result of the Ukraine situation. This mornings speech and the market reaction seems to indicate that any further sanctions will not be forth coming. If there were threats of further sanctions the market would have dropped instead of jumping over 100 points as it has done today.

Big corporations in the US routinely import foreign made ammunition. For example, Barnaul ammunition is manufactured in Russia, and is packaged in the Monarch brand, which is the house label for Academy Sports. Barnaul also has its own line of ammunition, i.e., Silver Bear, Brown Bear, etc., that is marketed by a number of discount companies like Sportsman Guide, CTD, etc.
I really would be surprised if this EO affected these US companies, after all, they provide support the failing economy.

That link is to an article that is 4 months old. Nothing happened with the first round of sanctions and so far no one knows what the second round is going to actually do to imported russian ammo because they just happened this week. I'm not going to speculate either.

The U.S. has been very careful dealing with the Russians because they have been arming just about everyone that we have an issue with. They export more arms than any other country in the world and to be the world's 8th largest economy that tells me they don't give a carp about much of anything. It's kind of their way of giving us the middle finger salute. To be honest I'm not sure why the adm hasn't shut down the ammo imports already.

I say cut off all U.S. exports and all Russian imports and let them eat ammo. Gen. Patton was a very good judge of character.

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Since when did Century Arms really make a gun that was not made with some imported parts from NON-US sources?

Without imported ammo A LOT of US shooters are going to be priced out of shooting. Ammo prices will go up without cheap foreign competition.

It is bad for all of us. Canadian shooters might soon have it better than US shooters.

US ammo companies are NOT our friend. Their production and distribution strategy is what is causing the 22 shortage to ensure HIGHER margin ammo is available and 22 and other rimfire is not.

So which U.S. companies are selling their products at a discount so we will invite the exec's to a round of golf and later some drinks and dinner?

And which Russian companies rushed in to supply us with 22 ammo when our own companies were busy maximising their profits?

Canadian shooters will never have it better than we do unless you live in NJ.

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Aside from providing cash to the sellers which can be used to fund other things wouldn't importing all the guns and ammo we can leave less in the hands of those who would use them against us?