Anyone else see Ruger's new ammunition line?

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Got an email notification from them a couple days ago. Looks like they are introducing their own line of defense ammo, manufactured by PolyCase. Looks like an interesting design.
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Looks like a frangible bullet, but the site doesn't say it is. It seems like a gimmick to me. The spin of the bullet is supposed to impart more hydraulic displacement to the target due to it's design. At the advertised velocity, how many times will it spin as it passes through the target? I'll be interested in seeing data.
 
Did some fuzzy math.

If one assumes the standard rate of twist for a .45 ACP to be 1:16 and if you assume a anterior - posterior measurement of a 215 pound guy, top of belly to be 12", you would get about 3/4 revolution inside the target.

For that same bullet traveling about 830 FPS, you would have a rate of spin of 622 revolutions per second.

Looks like a gimic to me but some people will buy whatever someone tells them is new and improved.

I'll stick with the old Keith bullet - thank you very much.
 
So what would that shape of tip do when it hits a bone?

Turn sideways ?

I would like to see some hard test before buying it.
 
I am sorry Novalty this is a ammo thread and not reloading. You can not buy the MAGIC BULLETS to reload.:D

Some barrels twist right, some twist left what happens then?

Will it twist backwards if below the equator?;)

Here is all the MAGIC. It ranks right up there with Zombie AMMO

A Marketing hype to take your money.

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I prefer the RIP HYPED MAGIC

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Just saw a ways back....

I saw an article/ad on the bullets just about a month or so ago. They are supposed to increase hydrostatic pressure by some mechanism of fluid mechanics that I didn't try to decipher. I'd like to hear a LOT about other tests and 'real world' experience, if any, before I try something like that. I don't have faith that that can make a real difference in terminal effects.

Honestly, it looks like a water turbine pump.

I'm surprised that a company that isn't known for ammo would take this up, but I suppose if you want to sell, you need a gimmick.
 
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It makes me wonder about feed issues. I also wonder what a die company would say if you sent one of those projectiles in and asked for a custom seater plug.
 
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I shot some of this stuff yesterday. I was function testing my recently returned BG380. The gun went in again for FTF's. It FTF'd with every round of this stuff. Hard primers, apparently, but then all the other brands FTF'd also, just not as regularly. Except the Hornady, every one of them fired, first strike. The bullet is a mix of copper powder and polymer, as I understand it. Frangible to be sure. Effective? Who knows, I just wanted to try as many different types of ammo as possible to check the gun. The store where I got the stuff had both the original maker in stock, as well as the Ruger branded. The original was 24.99, and the Ruger, same stuff, was 17.99. Guess which one I got?
 
Looks gimmicky, and how is it going to perform any better than a standard semi or full wad cutter? Big fat flat nosed bullets also create some hydrostatic disruption by creating resistance, if there is some real advantage of these over the former, I would really, really like to see it. If we could keep this related to reloading, let's say they do sell these to the average reloader; are these going to perform well enough at cost to displace expensive hollow points in terms of performance? More importantly, for those in the market for a non expanding, high terminal performance bullet, can they sell these cheap enough to compete with the commercial bullet casters and swagers who can produce wadcutters by the truckload for a fraction of the price? An experienced caster may even choose to make his own non expanding bullets, another point they have to compete with. Prices will have to be cheap, and the bullet prove itself valuable to break in.

I've watched a few videos on this new concept, they seem to have had some "help" in their interpretation of the results. As far as I've seen, they make a great deal about a permanent tear cavity in the shallower end of the gel blocks, but this phenomena can be seen in other bullets, and how it transfers to the real world, in terms of real effect, or if it occurs within actual flesh shot, is in question. It may not increase effectiveness at all, and may be something they are purposely making the molehill into a mountain about.

I'll reserve judgement, like I always do, until more data comes in. However, I'm leaning towards the camp of "how is this better/cheaper than traditional full point bullets" crowd, as of now.
 
I took a SLR photography course 40 odd years ago in school. Some kids were fortunate to have Nikons. They also had Nikon lens tissue, Nikon cleaning brush, Nikon tripod, and Nikon filters. I think some even bought Nikon toilet paper.

So there's Colt ammo, Sig ammo, and now, Ruger ammo. Brand loyalty is a great marketing concept.
 
When I was a teenager I took a .22lr and my old trusty pocket knife and carved it up a bit trying to make a super deadly rabbit bullet. It looked similar to this beast when I was done with it. Sorry I don't recall how it performed, don't recall if I ever did it again so my guess is it wasn't all that great. I do think Ruger makes a fine handgun but this bullet looks like the end of an abused drill pipe. I'll probably pass.
 
It's just the Polycase ARX ammo in a Ruger labeled box. It would be neat if it was headstamped RUGER, but that's about it.
 
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