Fishinfool
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I have one box that I'm saving for the vampire apocalypse.
No no no... You'll be sorry...
Its wood bullets for Vampires, and Silver Tips for Werewolves...
Larry
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Winchester Silver Tips
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No no no... You'll be sorry...
Its wood bullets for Vampires, and Silver Tips for Werewolves...
Larry
I forgot to mention that I dipped them in garlic first.
As a note, those high 1225-1250fps data on the boxes and internet...............
come from a 6" barrel.
The new improved 9mm 127 +P+ Ranger ammo out of a
G19, 4" barrel chrony's at 1198fps, in one of the you tube gel test.
Winchester is good ammo but do your home work.
come from a 6" barrel.
The new improved 9mm 127 +P+ Ranger ammo out of a
G19, 4" barrel chrony's at 1198fps, in one of the you tube gel test.
Winchester is good ammo but do your home work.
TexasRaider
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Wonder if Warren Zevon ever tried those.
Think I'll get some for next time I'm out looking for a big dish of beef chow mein....
Think I'll get some for next time I'm out looking for a big dish of beef chow mein....
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crsides
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Got a couple boxes in 41 mag, thought they had a good reputation?
Charlie
Charlie
TexasRaider
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Watch out or you might run into Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner!
You right. I better send for more lawyers, guns and money...
mrchuck
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Ahh yes,,,the Miami shoot-out where several of our Female Federal Officers were killed in the line of duty, caused by the lowly caliber 9mm Luger cartridge we were mandated to carry on duty.
Several perps were hit but could continue to shoot at our female officers.
This really was the cause for the immediate design of the 10mm pistol cartridge which the male Officers like me really liked, but our female officers did not like due to the 10mm cartridge's very very stout recoil.
Soooo, the cartridge casing was shortened, and now it was called the 40 SW was born. Yes 10mm is .40 caliber. Many female Officers still hate the 40SW due to it's recoil.
Sooo, the hi-power loading and hollow point bullets became the caliber for all Feds.
I actually now in retirement, love to carry the 9mm caliber in my Kel-Tec P-11 with the waistband clip.
I also have a Kel-Tec P-40 pistol with the waistband clip on it, and sometimes carry it when I feel frisky. Yes,,,a hand cannon no longer made.
My issued Smith&Wesson Sigma sw40c stays in the car when I go outside my abode to go to Walmart for Rx's and groceries.
I keep the 40sw pistols in the house these days.
However,,my favorite caliber will always be the 357 Magnum though.
My retirement present given to me was a Taurus 715 titanium 2"bbl 7 shot revolver.
Several perps were hit but could continue to shoot at our female officers.
This really was the cause for the immediate design of the 10mm pistol cartridge which the male Officers like me really liked, but our female officers did not like due to the 10mm cartridge's very very stout recoil.
Soooo, the cartridge casing was shortened, and now it was called the 40 SW was born. Yes 10mm is .40 caliber. Many female Officers still hate the 40SW due to it's recoil.
Sooo, the hi-power loading and hollow point bullets became the caliber for all Feds.
I actually now in retirement, love to carry the 9mm caliber in my Kel-Tec P-11 with the waistband clip.
I also have a Kel-Tec P-40 pistol with the waistband clip on it, and sometimes carry it when I feel frisky. Yes,,,a hand cannon no longer made.
My issued Smith&Wesson Sigma sw40c stays in the car when I go outside my abode to go to Walmart for Rx's and groceries.
I keep the 40sw pistols in the house these days.
However,,my favorite caliber will always be the 357 Magnum though.
My retirement present given to me was a Taurus 715 titanium 2"bbl 7 shot revolver.
After much thought.....
Respectfully I differ. I decided that changing caliber or power of handguns wouldn't have done much good. What the agents really needed was rifles.
That means that the idea of dropping back from the 10mm to the .40 didn't play any role in the Miami shootout.
To stay on topic, I read a few years ago that Silvertips weree tested along with other modern ammo and compared well in performance.
Respectfully I differ. I decided that changing caliber or power of handguns wouldn't have done much good. What the agents really needed was rifles.
That means that the idea of dropping back from the 10mm to the .40 didn't play any role in the Miami shootout.
To stay on topic, I read a few years ago that Silvertips weree tested along with other modern ammo and compared well in performance.
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Tinhack
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I've got them in my 30-30 but that thing hasn't seen sunlight in years so it's been a while since I've looked for ammo. Another one I need to get out and burn some old ammo and blow the cobwebs out. I got my first dear with it at age 14--Some 52 years ago. (Just thinking, the ammo could be 20+ years old.)
BUFF
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Winchester's rifle caliber Silvertips are a whole different thing than the Silvertip handgun JHPs. The rifle Silvertips have been around since just after WWII, I believe.
I carried the 145 grain .357 Silvertip in my 6 inch M-66 a good part of the time we carried revolvers. It was a good round. It had a very effective flash-reducing powder compared to most other Magnum loadings at the time (1980's). I never shot anybody with it but killed a lot of road-injured mule deer (a couple of big ones) and a fair sized Shiras moose with it. Very good killer. Injured animals like deer are harder to kill than healthy ones because they are already filled up with adrenalin.
The 175 grain 10mm Auto, 225 grain .45 Colt and 200 grain .44 Special were also great rounds, likely the most effective commercial loadings in their calibers available in the 1980-1995 era. Very few reported shootings with them but the few I had read about, the Silvertips in those chamberings did as well as anything and better than most.
I have 4 or 5 boxes each of the 125 grain 9 X 23 Winchester and .38 Super Silvertips loads saved up. They look like the same bullet in both. When I bought my Colt Government 9 X 23 upon introduction, the first batch of Silvertips fired their 125 grain bullets through the Colt's 5 inch barrel within 50 fps of the same velocity I got from Federal's .357 loading in my 4 inch Model 66.
I'm also pretty sure that my Seecamp .32 is loaded with midget Silvertips.
We are lucky to the point of overabundance of choices of great handgun ammo now, there are so many that should work very well, and I think Winchester's Silvertips really helped lead the way.
I carried the 145 grain .357 Silvertip in my 6 inch M-66 a good part of the time we carried revolvers. It was a good round. It had a very effective flash-reducing powder compared to most other Magnum loadings at the time (1980's). I never shot anybody with it but killed a lot of road-injured mule deer (a couple of big ones) and a fair sized Shiras moose with it. Very good killer. Injured animals like deer are harder to kill than healthy ones because they are already filled up with adrenalin.
The 175 grain 10mm Auto, 225 grain .45 Colt and 200 grain .44 Special were also great rounds, likely the most effective commercial loadings in their calibers available in the 1980-1995 era. Very few reported shootings with them but the few I had read about, the Silvertips in those chamberings did as well as anything and better than most.
I have 4 or 5 boxes each of the 125 grain 9 X 23 Winchester and .38 Super Silvertips loads saved up. They look like the same bullet in both. When I bought my Colt Government 9 X 23 upon introduction, the first batch of Silvertips fired their 125 grain bullets through the Colt's 5 inch barrel within 50 fps of the same velocity I got from Federal's .357 loading in my 4 inch Model 66.
I'm also pretty sure that my Seecamp .32 is loaded with midget Silvertips.
We are lucky to the point of overabundance of choices of great handgun ammo now, there are so many that should work very well, and I think Winchester's Silvertips really helped lead the way.
Fastbolt
Member
I think it was back around the middle 2000's when I was discussing the SilverTip line with a Winchester LE rep at a gel shoot event. I asked why he didn't have any of it for testing/demo, and he said that they didn't give it to him for that purpose because it's wasn't being marketed as a LE round. He said that it didn't meet the ballistic testing requirements as well as their current LE lines, and was pretty much considered a commercial/personal defense product line.
He also said that the STHP line had been undergoing some revision, but he didn't have the details (because it wasn't among his promoted LE lines).
I used to keep the 210gr .44 Magnum, 200gr .44 Spl and 145gr .357 Magnum loads on hand back in the days when I carried a service revolver on-duty and mostly revolvers off-duty.
I still have a good amount of the older 145gr .357 STHP, as well as some of the 210gr .44 STHP, put back and I picked up a new box of the 145gr STHP within the last couple of years.
In recent years I've seen some .38 Spl 125gr +P and .380 ACP STHP appear among some LE inventory, and I've usually used it as range ammo.
The standard pressure 110gr STHP is one of my preferred rounds for my 37-2DAO (Federal 110gr & Hornady 125gr standard pressure loads are a couple others, since I only use standard pressure loads in that Airweight). I picked up some new 110gr .38 Spl STHP a little while ago, and I noticed that the nose cavity and mouth notching appeared different. Maybe a larger cavity and more notching? Quite a difference from the old days of the aluminum jacketed STHP.
He also said that the STHP line had been undergoing some revision, but he didn't have the details (because it wasn't among his promoted LE lines).
I used to keep the 210gr .44 Magnum, 200gr .44 Spl and 145gr .357 Magnum loads on hand back in the days when I carried a service revolver on-duty and mostly revolvers off-duty.
I still have a good amount of the older 145gr .357 STHP, as well as some of the 210gr .44 STHP, put back and I picked up a new box of the 145gr STHP within the last couple of years.
In recent years I've seen some .38 Spl 125gr +P and .380 ACP STHP appear among some LE inventory, and I've usually used it as range ammo.
The standard pressure 110gr STHP is one of my preferred rounds for my 37-2DAO (Federal 110gr & Hornady 125gr standard pressure loads are a couple others, since I only use standard pressure loads in that Airweight). I picked up some new 110gr .38 Spl STHP a little while ago, and I noticed that the nose cavity and mouth notching appeared different. Maybe a larger cavity and more notching? Quite a difference from the old days of the aluminum jacketed STHP.
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