Hard cast, JHP or JSP??

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Considering using a 6" S&W L-Frame .357 for deer this season. Deer are thin skinned to begin with, what bullet would be better, hard cast, JHP or JSP.. Hard cast would most likely be a through and through with very little internal damage, same for JSP with maybe a little internal damage and the JHP may open up too much and not provide enough penetration. Any suggestions, other than use a bigger caliber? I really want to try the .357 and keep the range relatively short, similar to bow ranges.
 
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For deer a 158 JHP will work . Limit shots to 50yds or so . Horn XTP , Nosler , Sierra all work well . Push them as fast as you can accurately place them . If you limit range & place your shots well you'll be fine . For 357 hunting I much prefer a rifle as added velocity allows heavier bullets & allows you to extend range . I still limit shots to 75yds personally with a 357 mag . JSP & heavy cast for rifle , JHP & cast for handgun .
 
I use 158gr jsp over W296. Works fine on our small whitetail and coyotes, but I don't get a shock effect like my .270, so I limit myself to the distance I can hit a plate every time and pass up less than ideal angles. Like a bow, shot placement is very important.
 
Where are you hunting Deer?

Here in Florida, they are barely larger that our big dogs

Up North, they grow to considerably larger proportions

I am in a agreement with using a JSP and 50 - 75 yards is your friend

However, I usually use the Remington 180 SJHP over a LARGE charge of H110 . . . . Once those have faded away, I will probably switch to the Winchester 158 JHPs
 
The JHP will expand and use up all its energy, which can be a good thing, if a shoulder bone is not hit...........

The SP tip design will give deeper penetration and maybe an exit hole, for a blood trail, if needed, depending on the bullet.

I have yet to use a .357 JHP on my Nevada deer, though.
Good luck.
 
colt_saa said:
Where are you hunting Deer?

Here in Florida, they are barely larger that our big dogs

Up North, they grow to considerably larger proportions

I am in a agreement with using a JSP and 50 - 75 yards is your friend

However, I usually use the Remington 180 SJHP over a LARGE charge of H110 . . . . Once those have faded away, I will probably switch to the Winchester 158 JHPs
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Northeast KS/Northwestern MO. Bigger than big dogs but not gigantic. I do have bigger calibers but thought in heavy timber and short range the .357 would be ideal.
 
I use cast in both 357 and 44 magnum. You have to be careful. I've had them penetrate, then a layer of tissue will shift and cover the holes and there won't be a blood trail. Wish I could get them to expand. I've thought about getting a box of hollowpoint slugs just for deer hunting. I haven't lost a deer yet but it could happen.
 
Kid44, I have killed close to 100 deer in my life. most of them with a rifle probably 20 or so with a bow a few with black powder and a few with a shotgun sabot. Got one with the bumper on my Buick on the way home one night. I took up handgun hunting for deer about three years ago with a 629 8 3/8" JSP are what you want to shoot. Look at the Hornaday LeverEvolution FTX 140 gr.
https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/revolver-ballistics-test/
 
If they’re smaller Whitetail, a Rem/Fed/Rem 158 gr JSP are plenty but limit your shots to bow range, 40 yds or less in the woods.

Personally, I prefer hard cast SWC’s with a large meplat or even a SWC HP (Lyman 358439) pushed to 1,200 FPS. The SWCs will give you some insurance in case you hit shoulder, these will plow through with more than adequate wound channels.
 
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I use cast in both 357 and 44 magnum. You have to be careful. I've had them penetrate, then a layer of tissue will shift and cover the holes and there won't be a blood trail. Wish I could get them to expand. I've thought about getting a box of hollowpoint slugs just for deer hunting. I haven't lost a deer yet but it could happen.
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Try Lyman 358439, hollow point version of the 358429 SWC...10 BNH hardness will be adequate and will give good penetration but will expand a bit particularly if you hit shoulder. GT bullets sells a version of this bullet...over 13.0 grs 2400 will give you a very effective Whitetail load. I still prefer a SWC with a large meplat.
 
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Groo here
Depends on where you hit them.....
I aim for the "Basket Ball" [the hart lung area...]
As this could involve bone [rib,shoulder or breast ]
I use a hard cast flat nose at 158 or heaver to be sure of getting to the good stuff.
Dad used Leverevolution from a 5in.
Even with a 357 the range limit is set by how far you can hit, not the gun.
With the correct sight I would have no problems with a 100yd or 150 yd
shot with hard cast from a rifle.
Pistol shots are shorter only because of "hitablity"
Just cant see that well anymore.
 
I use either a 6.5" RBH or an Encore 20" in 357 mag . The Encore I shoot 180's either the Rem SJHP or a LBT 180 WFNGC ( ACWW + 2% tin cut with 40% pure ) . Cast for hogs , JHP for deer . Same in the Ruger only I use a 158 JHP as I can push them 300 fps faster than a 180 . Again LBT cast for the hogs . A 180 @ 1200 vs a 180 @ 1800 is why I prefer a rifle in 357 mag . As stated above bullet placement is critical & even with a rifle I'll pass on less than optimum shots .
 
The problem with "Frontal, angle shots", is that it ups the odds of hitting a shoulder bone...............
or if you miss bone, there is a chance of penetration to the prime, Hindquarter, with the 2nd best meat on the deer.

Back in the 70's I did this shot on a Antelope with a 130gr SP/BT that should have stopped in the center of the body cavity.
Something happened and it took out a large portion of the rear Ham, which makes up 50% of the meat on this animal.

That was the last time that I ever took that angle shot and now wait for a better angle or shot placement , otherwise I pass on the animal.
 
Did some research

memtb said:
I’m a fan of hard cast, though with the smaller dia. bullet....I’d attempt to hit bone and attempt to break-down the structure. The heavy, hard cast also affords you the opportunity of “ranking” shots. The longer bullet path will likely contact more bone, organs, and vessels! memtb
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A 180 gr. hard cast from HSM moves along at 1200 fps, a 180 gr hard cast from Buffalo Bore gets down the road at 1400 fps. I have read that the difference of 200 fps you really gain nothing in killing power, all you get is more recoil and muzzle blastand once a certain point is reached a bullet really can't shoot any flatter.
 
Cast either neck or shoulders , JHP thru the lungs for deer . Hogs forget a JHP , cast or JSP behind the ear or high shoulder / spine . Same old story put a good bullet that's appropriate for game in the right spot you got meat .
 
i use a 4inch 357 , 158 grain softpoints. has worked well on the 2 i got with it . a couple yrs ago i grabbed the wrong case from the safe ended up in the woods with a 4inch model 10 38special and 357 ammo. 4hrs from home . after the other 2 guys went into the woods i went to local shop all he had was the 38 special 158 grain hornady custom xtp. i shot a doe at 15 yards it did a flawless job. found partially expanded on off side .
 
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