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I almost never buy factory ammo but make an exception when I buy self defense ammo. I recently bought a M&P 2.0 9mm Compact and found this box of Remington Ultimate Defense "Full Size Handgun" with 20 rounds. Since the shelves have been empty since I bought this pistol, I felt fortunate to find this lone box at Sportsman's Warehouse but I also found 2 boxes of Winchester 115gr white box about a week later.

My question is what is on the box where it says Ultimate Defense ... Full Size Handgun. I have never seen or never noticed this before but then I haven't bought factory ammo for several years now. Why the "Full Size Handgun" on the box? Is it because you will get maximum fps compared to a mid-size or compact? Or is it just a marketing thing?
 

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The 9mm Ultimate Defense ammo comes in two varieties: Full-size handgun and Compact handgun. It’s important to get the right one for your specific firearm. The Compact handgun is optimized for the lower velocities generated by guns with barrels less than three inches. The Full-size handgun variety is for, you guessed it, guns with four and five-inch barrels. For guns with a 3.5-inch barrel, I would pick the Compact handgun version, opting for better expansion performance.

Ammo Test: Remington Ultimate Defense 9mm 124 Grain Full Size Handgun - GunsAmerica Digest

It is designed to expand in 4-5 inch barrels. But if that is all you can’t find, I would not worry.
 
Probably just rebranded Golden Saber.
Maybe just delineated marketing from the short barrel version?
 
My 2.0 has a four inch barrel ... I bought the Winchester white box ammo because I didn't have brass at the time. I have over 2300 pieces of brass now.
 
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Check your box, I bet it was made in Lonoke, AR just down the road from where this is being typed.

The plant is running full tilt 24-7. From yesterday’s paper:

In an interview after the conference, Chris Metz, chief executive officer of Vista Outdoor, said Remington’s Lonoke facility now employs about 900 and is still looking for hundreds more workers. That’s up more than 100 workers since February and double from November’s count of around 450.
He said the plant is producing as much 9mm and shot shell ammunition as possible to meet the unprecedented demand that has left retail shelves around the nation bare for nearly a year as shooters and hunters scramble to find ammo. He said the integration of Remington is ahead of schedule and progressing without a hitch.
“The plant is humming,” Metz said.
 
That Remington SD ammo will work, but,...........

the lead might seperate from the jacket, since it is not a bonded bullet.

90% of the time the lead will stay with or close to the jacket.

Just a heads up on that Golden Saber bullet type, ammo.

Note;
The 125 JHP in a 38 snub nose works very well.
 
Hornady uses a tougher bullet in their Critical Duty ammo that is better at penetrating barriers than the bullet in their Critical Defense ammo but needs more velocity to expand. If it's not just marketing hype the same is probably true with the Remington ammo.

How fast or slow the gunpowder should be to achieve maximum velocity without exceeding pressure specs is not determined by barrel length. It is determined by how quickly the combustion chamber increases as the bullet moves down the bore. So you cannot increase muzzle velocity in short barrels by using a faster powder. If you look at tests of ammo designed for short barrels it will have about the same velocity as ammo designed for longer barrels. But you can use a bullet that will expand better at the reduced velocity a short barrel produces.
 
Dave Lively said:
Hornady uses a tougher bullet in their Critical Duty ammo that is better at penetrating barriers than the bullet in their Critical Defense ammo but needs more velocity to expand. If it's not just marketing hype the same is probably true with the Remington ammo.

How fast or slow the gunpowder should be to achieve maximum velocity without exceeding pressure specs is not determined by barrel length. It is determined by how quickly the combustion chamber increases as the bullet moves down the bore. So you cannot increase muzzle velocity in short barrels by using a faster powder. If you look at tests of ammo designed for short barrels it will have about the same velocity as ammo designed for longer barrels. But you can use a bullet that will expand better at the reduced velocity a short barrel produces.
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I do use Hornady Critical Defense ammo is some of my other handguns (38spl, .357mag, and .45 colt) for self defense but in this "time of shortages", you get what you can find.
 
6518John said:
Check your box, I bet it was made in Lonoke, AR just down the road from where this is being typed.

The plant is running full tilt 24-7. From yesterday’s paper:

In an interview after the conference, Chris Metz, chief executive officer of Vista Outdoor, said Remington’s Lonoke facility now employs about 900 and is still looking for hundreds more workers. That’s up more than 100 workers since February and double from November’s count of around 450.
He said the plant is producing as much 9mm and shot shell ammunition as possible to meet the unprecedented demand that has left retail shelves around the nation bare for nearly a year as shooters and hunters scramble to find ammo. He said the integration of Remington is ahead of schedule and progressing without a hitch.
“The plant is humming,” Metz said.
Click to expand...

You are correct ...
 
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