The thread on “Is the 41 Mag an Obsolete Cartridge” made me think of a box of ammo that I got as part of an estate. It’s a handful of .41 Action Express reloads and an empty Sampson cartridge box marked .41 X 22. I generally know how the cartridge came to be with its rebated rim design but did it get chambered in any handgun other than the IMI Jericho 941 (only ever seen one) and a conversion to be used in the UZI?

Anyone have any experience with the cartridge or the guns chambered for it?

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I don't remember when it was chambered in the AE but considering they had or would offer the 357,44 and 50 caliber chamberings its not real surprising that it disappeared.
It gets the 'love' like the Rem 41 mag!!

Im thinking that the Desert Eagle was offered in .41AE. But then I was thinking wrong. Some called the IMI the baby eagle.

I have a combo 9mm/41ae that I bought 30+ years ago. It is still unfired with original box of 41ae. Was told they were sales samples only and never a production model?

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Browning HP?

EAA had pistols and conversions for the 9MM Witness family of autoloaders

There were also 1911 pistols and conversions available

When the 40S&W hit the market the 41 AE was struggling. The biggest problem is that the 41AE used .410 projectiles. Most of those were designed for the 41 Magnum and were not well suited for a short action autoloader.

The 40S&W came upon the market place with a selection of 10MM projectiles already on the store shelves that were geared toward autoloaders.

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The Desert Eagle was never offered in 41AE.

IMI, the manufacturers of the Desert Eagle, also manufactured the Jerico 941 pistol. These were mostly imported by Magnum Research

For a while Magnum Research sold IMI built CZ clones under the name Baby Eagle and that pistol was offered as a 41AE for a while

The Desert Eagle was however offered in 41 Magnum. It could be purchased with a steel frame or the much lighter weight alloy frame

I have a 41 Magnum Desert Eagle with both 6" and 10" barrels.

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Yeah, I guess the .40 S&W pretty much made it obsolete. The various mid caliber experimental .40 and .41 cartridges paved the way for the eventual winners the 10mm and .40 S&W........

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The Tanfoglio TZ-75 Series 88.
One of the reasons I bought one was that it was offered in 9x19mm, 41 AE, and as a combo with both barrels and magazines. Mine was in 9x19 and I never saw or found a 41 AE combo or conversion barrel. Remember, this was before the internet, so my searches were local gun shows and gun shops.


The 41 AE suffered from failures to feed, the breech face of the slide often over running the rebated case head. With the introduction of the 40 S&W, the 41 AE died.

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Released ahead of its time, with too much overlapping between the .41AE and 10mm Auto/.40 S&W in terms of performance. On the high end, it's no better than 10mm Auto, on the low end it's no more powerful than .40 S&W, so it really doesn't bring anything new to the table.

Under different circumstances, it could have taken the place of .40 S&W, since it's essentially the same concept which made .40 S&W popular in the first place, (i.e. more power than 9mm in the same sized frame) and it predated .40 S&W by a few years too, but alas, it was ahead of its time, and wasn't backed by a company with as much clout as Smith & Wesson, so it failed where a very similar cartridge succeeded a few years later, merely by being in the right place, proposed at the right time, by the right company.

That being said, it makes no difference in the end, because even if it had taken the place of .40 S&W, then it would be in the exact same spot right now; abandoned by the FBI in favor of 9mm as of 2016, largely abandoned by Law Enforcement, and somewhat abandoned by civilians, constantly the subject of debate regarding obsolescence, and the mere mention of it often met with emotional knee-jerk responses from 9mm Fanboys still haunted by painful memories of a bygone era when their pet cartridge was considered inferior to it.
Best case scenario, it might have also taken the place of the 10mm Auto and thus received a moderate resurgence in popularity after its departure from Law Enforcement as a minimalist Wilderness Defense firearm with full power loads. But even that is unlikely since it was never a popular alternative to 10mm to begin with, and never had nearly as many prominent firearms chambered in it.

Oh, and my screen name would currently be something like; "Forte Won Achtung Axe-Press" or another such wordplay on the name of the cartridge which I unexpectedly grew to love thanks to an abundance of police trade-in .41AE pistols which flooded the market at absurdly low prices for a few years.

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