Looks impressive. But I’m too heavily invested in 9MM
30 Super Carry
30 Super Carry
30 Super Carry
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Only a couple of manufactures of guns using this caliber at this time. Plus with the ammo shortage I doubt we will ever see this cartridge on the shelf at the gun shop. Besides I wonder if it will function in my 327 magnum revolvers??
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My local gun shop has the hollow points. But no range ammo.
Scharfschuetzer
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I think that it looks like a lot of fun for shooting out in the desert at targets of opportunity or just plain plinking steel at the range. It ought to be a heck of jackrabbit or vermin round, especially in a good 1911 pistol.
It looks like it would be easy to load for and there's a plethora of .31 caliber cast bullets designs available.
Still, I'll probably just stick with what I've got for now.
It looks like it would be easy to load for and there's a plethora of .31 caliber cast bullets designs available.
Still, I'll probably just stick with what I've got for now.
ArchAngelCD
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IMO this is an answer to a question not asked. I see no real advantage to the 30 Carry over the 9mm. It requires a new handgun to use and who know how available the ammo will be? I think this is one of those cartridges and ammo that will be short lived similar to the 45 GAP round.
IMO this is an answer to a question not asked. I see no real advantage to the 30 Carry over the 9mm. It requires a new handgun to use and who know how available the ammo will be? I think this is one of those cartridges and ammo that will be short lived similar to the 45 GAP round.
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Valmet
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I believe this is a feeling shared by virtually everyone that will quickly lead to the .30 SC being pushed aside into the .327 Federal and 45GAP category.
A great summary of the probable outcome for the new cartridge!
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Probably not. I saw a drawing of 30 SC and it tapers to a wider diameter than 327 at the base. Not by much but enough that fully chambering it would be tight if not impossible.
The 30 SC is short enough to fit into 32 S&W Long and 32 H&R magnum handguns if it wasn't too wide. Not being able to chamber a 45,000 PSI cartridge in an old revolver designed to handle 12,000 PSI 32 S&W Long ammo is for the best.
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How to fit more rounds into a small handgun is a question a lot of people ask. It is the whole reason guns like the P365, Hellcat and Shield Plus exist. It is the reason companies like Pearce and Magguts stay in business.
For those of that shoot a lot the price of ammo matters. Enough that we will give up 20% more capacity for less expensive ammo. But for the big majority of gun buyers that rarely get to the range it is much less of an issue. If it was they wouldn't be buying so many 380s.
When someone that isn't a gun enthusiast walks into a gun store and is given a choice between a 9mm Shield EZ that holds 8 rounds or a 30 SC Shield that holds 10 rounds a lot of them are going to choose the 30 SC. The guns are the same size, the same cost, the store owner will show them ads about how the 30 SC and 9mm are about the same ballistically and self defense 9mm and 30 SC ammo are both expensive right now. They might not sell a lot of these guns to enthusiasts sitting on a small mountain of 9mm they bought for $.18/round a few years ago but they are going to sell of lot of guns to people looking to buy their first gun for self defense.
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30 Super Carry is an excellent round to carry in the next Great Caliber War. Maybe one on each hip.
Don't forget, reloaders like me will be able to brag about how great it is while everyone else is carping about the lack of availability and high cost of ammo.
What's not to like?
Don't forget, reloaders like me will be able to brag about how great it is while everyone else is carping about the lack of availability and high cost of ammo.
What's not to like?
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When I see lots of .30 SC empties lying around on the range floor for a couple of years, I might consider buying one. And new ammo will have to be “realistically” priced. I just don’t see this one taking off. I’ll probably be wrong. Usually am. 
STORMINORMAN
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I will again opine that it should have been called the "30 $uper Carry" instead...?
Like most of the cartridges introduced in the last 2 decades....why?
I guess everyone thinks it's necessary to reinvent the wheel.
Winchester Short and Super Short Magnums come to mind.
I guess everyone thinks it's necessary to reinvent the wheel.
Winchester Short and Super Short Magnums come to mind.
Again, an answer to a question nobody serious asked. As with cartridges like the.45 GAP, .40 S&W and .327 Fed, a passing fad with nothing new ballistically nor any sort of superiority in any category to supplant anything that's been around for the past hundred years or more. The cartridges I mention above all have their "ancient" and "outdated" equals- .45 Schofield, .38-40 and .32 H&R mag. Personally, I'd like to see, as with Dick Cassull's duplex loads, something on that order applied to cartridges such as the .38 Super, .45 ACP and 9mm to boost their performance in strengthened platforms.
Lots of folks could move up to 357 Sig or 10mm, and many of them won't because of recoil and excess blast. Go ahead and make 9mm +p+, and guns that can handle them. Nobody will move.
Go ahead and push and promote 45 ACP +p, its already been done. They would rather keep using standard 45 ACP. Others have tried, and nobody really takes. Not limitation of handguns, but rather the limitations of the shooter.
ArchAngelCD
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You already know the answer, I'm sure you do. They want to sell more guns, sell more ammo and don't forget all the upgrades available from 3rd party vendors. Oh yeah, reloading dies too lol.
STORMINORMAN
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To refer to the 40 S&W as a "passing fad" is incredibly naive. How many million handguns and other weapons have been produced in that caliber and what percentage are still either in service or currently owned by private individuals?
Production numbers alone have long established it as a very effective caliber that will be around for a long time.
Cheers!
P.S. The 38 Super and a duplex load ala Dick Casull(?): you must be kidding!
sigp220.45
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Luckily we don’t really need to whine about it. If enough people don’t buy it, it will go away.
Me? I like choices.
If they get enough ammo onto the shelves I’ll probably give it a try.
Its niche is more capacity and (maybe) less recoil than a 9mm in a small gun.
Me? I like choices.
If they get enough ammo onto the shelves I’ll probably give it a try.
Its niche is more capacity and (maybe) less recoil than a 9mm in a small gun.
