Looks impressive. But I’m too heavily invested in 9MM
30 Super Carry

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Only a couple of manufactures of guns using this caliber at this time. Plus with the ammo shortage I doubt we will ever see this cartridge on the shelf at the gun shop. Besides I wonder if it will function in my 327 magnum revolvers??

My local gun shop has the hollow points. But no range ammo.

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I think that it looks like a lot of fun for shooting out in the desert at targets of opportunity or just plain plinking steel at the range. It ought to be a heck of jackrabbit or vermin round, especially in a good 1911 pistol.

It looks like it would be easy to load for and there's a plethora of .31 caliber cast bullets designs available.

Still, I'll probably just stick with what I've got for now.

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IMO this is an answer to a question not asked. I see no real advantage to the 30 Carry over the 9mm. It requires a new handgun to use and who know how available the ammo will be? I think this is one of those cartridges and ammo that will be short lived similar to the 45 GAP round.

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I believe this is a feeling shared by virtually everyone that will quickly lead to the .30 SC being pushed aside into the .327 Federal and 45GAP category.

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A great summary of the probable outcome for the new cartridge!

Probably not. I saw a drawing of 30 SC and it tapers to a wider diameter than 327 at the base. Not by much but enough that fully chambering it would be tight if not impossible.

The 30 SC is short enough to fit into 32 S&W Long and 32 H&R magnum handguns if it wasn't too wide. Not being able to chamber a 45,000 PSI cartridge in an old revolver designed to handle 12,000 PSI 32 S&W Long ammo is for the best.

How to fit more rounds into a small handgun is a question a lot of people ask. It is the whole reason guns like the P365, Hellcat and Shield Plus exist. It is the reason companies like Pearce and Magguts stay in business.

For those of that shoot a lot the price of ammo matters. Enough that we will give up 20% more capacity for less expensive ammo. But for the big majority of gun buyers that rarely get to the range it is much less of an issue. If it was they wouldn't be buying so many 380s.

When someone that isn't a gun enthusiast walks into a gun store and is given a choice between a 9mm Shield EZ that holds 8 rounds or a 30 SC Shield that holds 10 rounds a lot of them are going to choose the 30 SC. The guns are the same size, the same cost, the store owner will show them ads about how the 30 SC and 9mm are about the same ballistically and self defense 9mm and 30 SC ammo are both expensive right now. They might not sell a lot of these guns to enthusiasts sitting on a small mountain of 9mm they bought for $.18/round a few years ago but they are going to sell of lot of guns to people looking to buy their first gun for self defense.

[QUOTE=ArchAngelCD;141417031]IMO this is an answer to a question not asked. I see no real advantage to the 30 Carry over the 9mm. It requires a new handgun


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30 Super Carry is an excellent round to carry in the next Great Caliber War. Maybe one on each hip.

Don't forget, reloaders like me will be able to brag about how great it is while everyone else is carping about the lack of availability and high cost of ammo.

What's not to like?

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When I see lots of .30 SC empties lying around on the range floor for a couple of years, I might consider buying one. And new ammo will have to be “realistically” priced. I just don’t see this one taking off. I’ll probably be wrong. Usually am.

Straight to obsolescence.

I will again opine that it should have been called the "30 $uper Carry" instead...?

Like most of the cartridges introduced in the last 2 decades....why?

I guess everyone thinks it's necessary to reinvent the wheel.

Winchester Short and Super Short Magnums come to mind.

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Again, an answer to a question nobody serious asked. As with cartridges like the.45 GAP, .40 S&W and .327 Fed, a passing fad with nothing new ballistically nor any sort of superiority in any category to supplant anything that's been around for the past hundred years or more. The cartridges I mention above all have their "ancient" and "outdated" equals- .45 Schofield, .38-40 and .32 H&R mag. Personally, I'd like to see, as with Dick Cassull's duplex loads, something on that order applied to cartridges such as the .38 Super, .45 ACP and 9mm to boost their performance in strengthened platforms.

Lots of folks could move up to 357 Sig or 10mm, and many of them won't because of recoil and excess blast. Go ahead and make 9mm +p+, and guns that can handle them. Nobody will move.

Go ahead and push and promote 45 ACP +p, its already been done. They would rather keep using standard 45 ACP. Others have tried, and nobody really takes. Not limitation of handguns, but rather the limitations of the shooter.

You already know the answer, I'm sure you do. They want to sell more guns, sell more ammo and don't forget all the upgrades available from 3rd party vendors. Oh yeah, reloading dies too lol.

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To refer to the 40 S&W as a "passing fad" is incredibly naive. How many million handguns and other weapons have been produced in that caliber and what percentage are still either in service or currently owned by private individuals?

Production numbers alone have long established it as a very effective caliber that will be around for a long time.

Cheers!

P.S. The 38 Super and a duplex load ala Dick Casull(?): you must be kidding!

Luckily we don’t really need to whine about it. If enough people don’t buy it, it will go away.

Me? I like choices.

If they get enough ammo onto the shelves I’ll probably give it a try.

Its niche is more capacity and (maybe) less recoil than a 9mm in a small gun.

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I looked into 30SC because I was interested in its "near-9mm" performance and I am considering a new small pistol for concealed carry. I was intrigued by the idea of a lighter, faster, small round with less recoil. I even started a thread here and asked a few questions from those who would know more than I.

Shortly thereafter, other ammunition companies started coming out with 9mm rounds that use a smaller 65 grain bullet and jog down range at 1750 FPS with supposedly less felt recoil - and I wouldn't have to buy a whole new gun in a whole new caliber to use it.

At that point I decided that I didn't need yet ANOTHER caliber of ammunition that would only feed one pistol I owned. Frankly I'm still on the fence about keeping my 4046TSW because it's the only 40S&W I own (but that gun just shoots SO NICE...), but even if I keep that one I don't think I could justify getting another unicorn just to get benefits I could get simply by changing ammunition for my existing 9mm pistols.

While the 40 S&W has had a fairly long life it is now fading. Many of the LE Agencies are turning away from it now. Remember, it was developed because the 10mm was too "hot" for some users in Law Enforcement, and now they seem to feel there is no real reason to use it.

Also, demeaning another member as being "incredibly naive" for that persons opinion is not what we do here. I suggest you not do it again.

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Hyperinflation, another round of severe component and ammo shortage, fear, $15 gas soon. Sorry, S&W bad timing, no-one going to go for it.

Except for the fact that 100 grains is a decent weight bullet for .310 caliber, with decent sectional density, and 65 grain bullets for 9mm are a bad joke.

This is why smaller calibers can try to get away with lighter bullets than larger calibers. It is why larger calibers can't "hang" with lower weight bullets and compete with them effectively.

If you really are serious, don't consider changing ammunition for your 9mm. You can only go backwards with lighter than medium weight bullets.

Is it the "incredibly" or the "naive" part that is (somehow) deemed as being "demeaning"...?

Was Jimmy4570 offended?
Did I ever state he wasn't entitled to his opinion?

Would "unbelievably simple" be less offensive? Very? Exceedingly?

The reference (the statement including the 40 S&W with the 45 GAP & 327 Federal as "fads") was what I described: not the individual. I didn't say "You are incredibly naive!"

There is a material difference, one would hope...

P.S. What about "...you must be kidding?" Is this, somehow, to be construed as mocking someone?

I have to admit that I am intrigued a bit by the new 30 Super Carry and it is tempting. However, there are a few reasons I will probably stick with 9mm. First, and probably most important, I occasionally travel to CA and like to make sure I stay on the right side of the laws wherever I go, so the idea of more rounds than my EMP does not work for me. This, not to mention a very long history with my CS9 so anything with the CS prefix is appealing, is one of the reasons I recently purchased the new CSX as it gives the option to easily change between 12 or 10 round mag capacity depending upon what state I travel to. So, for me, extra mags, not higher capacity, is preferred.

The other reason is that there is such an incredible variety of 9mm ammunition available now, just about every bullet weight and style you can think of and everything from "Lite" cartridges to the hot Plus-P are available now. One of the things I enjoy doing at the range is trying different types of ammo and seeing how they shoot, and having such a great variety available in 9mm is very appealing to me and makes range trips more enjoyable for me. It will probably be a while before a big variety of ammo is available for the 30 Super Carry.

For those residing in states where there are no restrictions on mag capacity, I thing the new CSX if offered in 30 Super Carry would be very appealing.

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First time I’ve noticed any on a shelf.

Why would anyone think it was a good idea to come up with a new round that requires a new gun, when the world is heavily invested in guns and ammo in 9mm. This is an answer to a non-existent problem. We already can't get ammo or even reasonably priced bullets from Federal and CCI/Speer and they invest a lot in research and development on a new round that they would expect us to buy. I personally wish they would spend the time putting out Gold dot bullets in .44 and .45 for me to reload. Then they get the new government handgun contract for the FBI that will pretty well guarrantee we won't be able to get any of their products for some time. I for one wouldn't waste my time on it. Just my free opinion and worth every cent.

My, it's really so nice to live in a perfect world where everyone is content and satisfied with just one choice! I wonder, why do we need so many different sizes of clothing in different styles and types of fabrics? Can't we all be content wearing size 38x36 jeans with burlap ponchos? After all, can't we just adapt to the same size/style/fabric of clothing, just like we can adapt to the same handgun?

Has anyone here tried to live the life of a physically challenged person? Trust me, it isn't easy, especially when you don't have a choice!

For those here that are revolver aficionados, would you still be wielding your favorite wheel gun for defense if you lost use of an arm? How many 1911 types would still be carrying their 1911 if you lost use of your right arm and had to manipulate it's entire operation with your left hand?

At the Adaptive Defensive Shooting Summit in 2021, a S&W rep in the demo bay hinted that a new round and handgun was in the works that would be attractive to the physically challenged shooter. Honestly, I would like to think that the 30 Super Carry is that round. More powerful than the 380, it could appeal to the disabled that have a problem controlling a 9mm! More capacity than a 9mm means less need to change a magazine in a defensive situation. Almost as powerful as the 9mm means that a disabled shooter is not really giving up much for a more manageable round. But the inherent ability to place accurate shots is still paramount.

True, this round (and it's platforms) may not set the world afire amongst the physically whole shooting community. But when was a round and/or platform really developed and marketed for the physically challenged? In the past, we were pointed to a less capable round in a platform that may not have been the best for the situation it was needed for! The fact that the round and the platform may appeal to the female side of society, as well as the elderly, is an added benefit!

Was this the intent behind the 30 Super Carry? I honestly don't know. However, it is a niche that it can fill! Please remember, modern warfare is sadly producing a larger population of returning disabled veterans that could be in a greater need of self-defense guns and ammo that can meet their unique needs!

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Love to see Beretta come out with a tip-barrel in this caliber, ala the Cheetah...?

Cheers!

Ballistics look very similar to 9mm Makarov. Don't really see the need to reinvent the wheel but people keep trying!

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Sure, it's all about the money.

Although with established calibers being hard to find, it's not the greatest time to introduce a completely new one.

I myself will pass on this new wonder cartridge.

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Was that price for 25rds or 50rds?

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Not everyone thinks 9mm is the answer for everyone in every situation.
By your logic why would you expect them to make .45 bullets when everyone "knows" 9mm is just as good for everything as 45? Why waste time on what is now a niche cartridge like the 45 ACP when they could be cranking out more 9mm?

We have the 32 acp... 30 mauser, 30 luger....and a lot of others.....now this hot 30SC.
My concern.... if you carry this and have to use it, this little 30SC would surely have quite a bark to it and would cause more hearing damage than a 9mm 38 or 45.
I always thought a revolver would be best for non professionals/civilians like me...the first couple of shots would be all you could need, instead of the spray and pray mentality.

The 30 SC may look impressive on paper but don't divest youself of the 9mm Luger ... been tested in battle too many times , found to be a pretty good compromise and killed more than a few good (and bad) men ... the 30 SC will be the new kid on the block , written up and bally-hooed by the gun writers ...then slowly fade into popularity somewhere around 32 acp and 380 auto and the 9mm Luger will carry on as King of the Hill .
Remember the 40 S&W ? ... just barely ... huge splash ... Lots of shouting and arm waving ... slow fade ... now barely spoken of , barely remembered .

... C'est La Vie' ... Such is Life !

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100gr @ 1230. Not bad. But not near 327 Federal (1600 fps).

I am disappointed that they didn't make the case length closer to .895 or .898 inches like 38 super or 45 ACP. Maybe that will come as the 30 Super Carry Magnum in a few years. I'd go for that. I won't go for this sub caliber.

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Uh, as in "20"...

Cheers!

The most surprising thing about .30 Super Carry is that it isn't being massively shilled for like that 7.5 FK cartridge was a few years back.

I thought for sure that it was going to be the new 7.5 FK with nearly everyone on YouTube getting sent .30 Super Carry and declaring it as the next big thing for a few months, then just never mentioning it ever again.
In fact, I figured that it would be even more heavily shilled for because unlike the 7.5 FK, .30 Super Carry isn't only chambered in a couple of overpriced guns like the FK BRNO.

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I notice in the write ups I'm reading, like in the latest American Rifleman, Federal compares it to their own .380 HST. When you compare the 30 Super with the Federal hydra shock deep .380, the difference in expansion and penetration doesn't appear to be so great.

When they make a firearm I like in that caliber I'll buy it and put it in my collection and watch It appreciate like all the other odd ball firearms that weren't a commercial success, S&W .17cal revolver, etc.
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I don't think they could have brought it out at a worse time. I'll sit back and watch. Been around long enough to see many new calibers come and go.
If it becomes the beat all solution, I may try it. Or not.

In early advertising, it was intimated that the 30 Super Carry would be offered in the Shield Plus in addition to the Shield EZ. However, the S&W site (last time I looked) only listed the Shield Plus in Super Carry with a 12 round magazine, no provision offered for states with capacity limits.

Personally, I don't like the Shield EZ, but if 10 round magazines were available for the Shield Plus, I would give it a try.

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Ouch!

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Looking at the performance data that Federal published on the page linked to, my first though is I can come up with a 9mm load that would produce the same numbers as the 30SC. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Federal already makes one.

From there it comes down to the capacity. Using the Shield Plus as a baseline, adding an extra 2 rounds is not going to get me to make the switch to a new cartridge when shopping for a new pistol.

That being said, of the high capacity micro 9's I own, I suppose I would have considered paying extra if they offered a dual caliber option if it were available when I bought the things, where they figure out an extractor and magazine that would work for both, and having never seen a 30SC completely stripped down this may already be the case, along with barrels for both cartridges.

Yep, boxes of 20 JHP. I have not noticed FMJ rounds on shelves yet.

LGS has a S&W in .30SC, they thought about making it a demo but can’t find enough ammo for people to actually demo it, gun just sits in the display case.

All the gun rags are gaga.

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I must be getting old and crotchety. All this gets from me is a yawn and "oh, another cartridge of the month."

Check again! 9x18 Makarov is almost identical to .380 ACP, only very slightly, better, but not a statistically significant amount! The .30 SC is light years ahead of .380. The SC is closer to .327 Federal and what can be done with the .32 H&R Magnum when hand-loaded to it's full capability in a sufficiently strong revolver.

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Ammunition is scarce. The .380 has been improved ( with the use of new lead-less bullet technology) to close to 9MM effectiveness. I have read the specs, .30 "super carry" lies between 9MM and .380. One of our knowledgeable members stated that the round approximates the 9MM Makorov. I'm not going anywhere the .40, that is an entirely different discussion. From what I see is and industry that can't even keep up with consumer demand, introducing what they think will be the next ballistic "hula-hoop" while answering a question that NOBODY asked.