DHS Ammo?

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Did you know that DHS has special ammo? I was at the range yesterday and I saw in the trash five or six empty DHS ammo boxes. How did I know that it was DHS ammo? It says so on the box.

I've never seen a government agency with their logo on ammo boxes. Even Army stuff is just a plain white box. Is this a new trend?

There were also some DHS targets on corrugated cardboard, including a discarded unshot one. I guess that it was too much trouble to return it to the supply closet. Nice waste of tax money.

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DHS ammo is nothing more than regular HST JHPs. I wouldnt call it "special".

I have some Federal white box (government) .40S&W here on my desk. It doesnt have the logo you described, but I know its DHS by the product code: Z40HST1DHS. Its a standard 180gr HST JHP.
 
Not uncommon. My old agency had rifle ammunition from Hornady marked as such, because it was a load specifically requested by us. Nothing to see here, unless you just need to get your 'tude on about something, then it will serve.
 
That's an opinion piece that quotes other opinion pieces. DHS, like DOJ, gets multi-year contracts for ammo and all kinds of other things that makes purchases 'up to' a certain amount possible at the agreed price. They might actually buy 1% to 100% or none at all.

I doubt anyone here remembers it, but the spin-up of the Air Marshals program after 9-11 caught FLETC utterly unprepared, and they ended up buying craploads of ammo (and training services) from contractors at outrageous prices because they needed it all immediately. Better/cheaper to have contracts that accommodate unforseen emergencies.
 
Just so you understand this, federal law enforcement is composed almost entirely of niche agencies with certain authority and areas of responsibility. That's one of the reasons that there are so many federal agencies. There are NONE that resemble what we call "general authority" agencies here in WA - city cops and SOs, mostly. (WSP is described as general authority, but that does not reflect their reality. They are really a glorified highway patrol at best.) About the closest you will see are the LE rangers in a really big park like Yellowstone - they do almost everything. Even they are probably 1801/1805 types as I recall (federal job designator for non-criminal investigators, who are 1811s).

This is actually protective of liberty - there is no overarching federal police force.
 
Simply put, local and most state police have nearly unlimited jurisdiction but a limited venue. Federal agencies have nearly unlimited venue, but very specifically limited jurisdiction.

DHS owns FLETC, which means they have training responsibility for nearly all non-DOJ agencies. DHS is by far the largest Federal LE agency, with 240,000 total employees, sworn and non-sworn. About DHS | Homeland Security
 
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At one time some 20 years ago, I spent several years working with FLETC - Glynco on several different ammunition development and range construction projects. At that time, and probably still, FLETC had what are called IDIQ (indefinite delivery indefinite quantity) contracts with all of the ammunition manufacturers. What that means is that FLETC could buy all the ammunition needed at negotiated prices. And that open ended contract could be accessed by any government agency to purchase its ammunition needs within the limits of the contract. I personally bought some ammunition for USAF use through that FLETC contract. Of course each agency has to actually buy the ammunition out of their budgets, but FLETC handled the acquisition process in exchange for a small fee it charged. It essentially acted as an ammunition purchasing agent for numerous government agencies.
 
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Yaworski said:
I've never seen a government agency with their logo on ammo boxes. Even Army stuff is just a plain white box. Is this a new trend?
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The Winchester product number for .38 Spl LSWCHP +P is X38SPD. Winchester first loaded it for the St. Louis Police Department about 50 years ago.
 
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