There certainly haven't been any mass murders in schools...oh, wait...
DHS Ammo?
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How often do you see news that the Department of Education SWAT team flew in and secured the school? This isn't a movie, a SWAT team based in Arlington VA (?) isn't going to take a hypersonic SHIELD transport to Florida.
School security is the responsibility of the local governments.
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1) That "ISP" marked ammo was available to any agency on the State contract. I bought a good bit of the 115 grain and then the 127 at prices that were not much more than ball and are a mere memory now.
2) A lot of federal agencies, such as Dept. of Ed., EPA and others have criminal investigators that do investigations of fraud/theft and the like at staggeringly high dollar values. I am aware of a matter near here that should have been referred to the EPA criminal investigation division but was not - terrible hazmat violators.
2) A lot of federal agencies, such as Dept. of Ed., EPA and others have criminal investigators that do investigations of fraud/theft and the like at staggeringly high dollar values. I am aware of a matter near here that should have been referred to the EPA criminal investigation division but was not - terrible hazmat violators.
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I have some 38 spl. +P+ ammo and some hot S&W 12 gauge sabot slugs marked for specific Fed. LE agency use only. Nether one was ever commercially available AFAIK.
That's the legal team at work. If someone scrounges a box and blows up their *** firearm, Winchester's not liable. Way back in the last century, I saw a copy of the hold harmless agreement one of ammo companies mandated for those who ordered +P+ .38. Covered about any possible bad thing resulting from use of that ammo-bad breath, body odor and hair loss excepted.
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Here's what DHS training ammo looked like back in the 40 caliber days.
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Post 9/11, the DOI was not incorporated into DHS. I went direct with contracted ammo manufacturers when ordering for my duty station. Due to the huge ammo demands of DHS and DOD, I was told that shipping dates for my orders were uncertain. We ended up waiting months for partial orders to trickle in.
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Which prompts the question of why don't they use cheap ammo for blasting at the range instead of the high tech hollow points? Simple matter of people spending money provided by others?
sigp220.45
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Most agencies use cheaper ammo (as biku showed) for drills and practice. Qualifications are generally shot with duty ammo, with good reason. We would shoot up what we’d been carrying, and reload with new stuff. That’s probably where your scrounged boxes came from.
Indeed.
Every agency has a budget, and to get what you need from the budget means doing what you can cheaper. Qualification with training ammo is NOT cheaper because of the potential of lawsuit after a shooting that went wrong. You train with training ammo (much cheaper), and qualify with carry/duty ammo, then ensure each officer/agent has just enough fresh duty ammo (varies by agency from one to a few boxes) periodically.
Whining about govt waste/fraud/abuse is great fun, though, so lots and lots of folks never let facts get in the way.
Example - my last Fed job required frequent/extensive international travel to undesireable places. A buddy from my state-level policing days heard I was traveling to places he'd never heard of and immediately assumed I was living high on his tax dollars, flying first class. Sorry, my friend, but flying first class is only for folks with specific, provable medical conditions verified by a doctor acceptable to the Feds - besides, most folks don't want to fly Cebu Pacific, Air Malaysian, Iraqi Airlines, or Moldovan Airlines to fine places like Cotabato City, Sandakan, Basra, Chisinau, or Podgorica.
Every agency has a budget, and to get what you need from the budget means doing what you can cheaper. Qualification with training ammo is NOT cheaper because of the potential of lawsuit after a shooting that went wrong. You train with training ammo (much cheaper), and qualify with carry/duty ammo, then ensure each officer/agent has just enough fresh duty ammo (varies by agency from one to a few boxes) periodically.
Whining about govt waste/fraud/abuse is great fun, though, so lots and lots of folks never let facts get in the way.
Example - my last Fed job required frequent/extensive international travel to undesireable places. A buddy from my state-level policing days heard I was traveling to places he'd never heard of and immediately assumed I was living high on his tax dollars, flying first class. Sorry, my friend, but flying first class is only for folks with specific, provable medical conditions verified by a doctor acceptable to the Feds - besides, most folks don't want to fly Cebu Pacific, Air Malaysian, Iraqi Airlines, or Moldovan Airlines to fine places like Cotabato City, Sandakan, Basra, Chisinau, or Podgorica.
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Pisgah
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Yeah, they got cool T-shirts and caps, too.
Bumpus13
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So don’t be a tax cheat.
However, if a Government entity applies for the next year's budget, and hasn't allocated ALL of the previous year's allotment, (having left over funds in their coffers) they typically get a "budget cut" because they obviously didn't need all of last year's funding!
They will frantically find a way to somehow "spend all of their budget" before a certain date, ............ or the Purchasing Agents won't have a job the following year! Seen it happen.......
They will frantically find a way to somehow "spend all of their budget" before a certain date, ............ or the Purchasing Agents won't have a job the following year! Seen it happen.......
I haven't seen that for years. Congressional budgeting by continuing resolution has created all kinds of difficulties within agencies, and them good 'ole days when there was a 'clean' new budget October 1 are long past.
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This thread is starting to discuss political topics and more. Lets keep the discussion on the ammo, not the politics behind it. I don't want to have to close this thread. This is the only warning, please comply.
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BillBro
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I can think of several overreaching federal police forces just sitting here eating my cheesburger. Not hard.
Nothing personal.
Nothing personal.
Der Verminator
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Having it so marked probably decreases pilferage.
Yes - at every stage of transfer from packaging at the factory to final point of issue.
One of our range officers once said that he could put a box of ammo and a $20 bill on a desk in HQ, turn around once, and the ammo would be gone. Come back a week later and the $20 bill will still be there.
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