From the article below-
“ The recent decision by China to halt the export of two critical components —nitrocellulose and antimony— has raised alarms within the U.S. ammunition manufacturing industry and among defense experts”.
Ammo and components will be hard to get in the near future.
Thoughts?



China's New Export Restriction Choke Hold on Critical U.S. Ammunition Components, Are You Prepared?

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Get off my lawn!

I'm not panicking and not about to go out and buy a bunch of ammo and components that I don't need. Everytime we get a tidbit of news alluding to an ammunition or component shortage, the whole shooting community goes nuts and people start hoarding. I have what I need; no reason to panic buy and make the situation worse.

Good idea from China! Bring production of these critical components back to the US!

SG Ammo mentioned that back in the spring. The latest email
I got today said ammo sales are slow and profits are razor
thin. I picked up some 7.62X39 the last two months from
them.

I agree, but it would take many years if construction of the facilities and mines were to be allowed.

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Concur. Re-vitalizing an industry would take time, but with the proper priorities could be done

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"Your other right........."

Jack up tarriffs on everything Chinese. The world needs to incrementally reduce its dependency on Chinese goods, until its zero.

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Just stop buying their junk will hurt them worse.

American companies have "outsourced" everything to China including medicines. This is so wrong. And those American companies say that they are doing it to keep prices down. That is BS. They are only doing it to keep their profits high. Critical items should ALWAYS be kept IN HOUSE and any outsourcing should be denied at all costs.

China is Not our friend ...
We need to divest ourself from dependance on them ...
Being dependent on China for anything is Bad Policy .
They wish to destroy us ...
Gary

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Antimony mines were idled in the late 90's or early 00's IIRC in the SW. Nitrocellulose is made from easily found materials. It amazes me that people think we can outsource production with no risks.

I guess if you really believe we are sitting around a world campfire singing kum by ya it is all good.

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Except the EPA & OSHA will crawl all over them with a fine tooth comb looking for the slightest infraction to shut them down "because guns are icky".

Tried buying a toaster lately? Coffee maker? Or any of a host of other items? Almost impossible to avoid chinese products these days.

Of course when China is paying the POTUS' son millions of $$$ a year, that should come as no surprise.

CEO's want that bonus $$$$. They all cry about being "beholden to shareholders" & thus HAVE to cut costs in order to keep their bonus checks coming.

If your dividends dropped from $100 a share to $1, what would YOU do? Be honest about it.

Buy gold and silver, the original currency of the world.
Stocks, bonds and all fiat currency will just be junk.

As I understand it, there is currently only one USA producer of NC, which is the Radford Army Ammunition Plant in Virginia. And all of their production is for military use. Radford produces mainly large caliber propellants and rocket propellant and also supplies NC to St. Marks in Florida. That is where small caliber military propellant is made. Also, all TNT production is at Radford. Most all powder for other uses comes in from foreign sources. When I worked at Hercules many years ago, I was a frequent visitor to Radford, as Hercules was then the operator.

The largest single propellant plant was the Indiana Army Ammunition Plant, across the river from Louisville. They made everything from rifle powder to 16” powder for the Navy. It was shut down and largely dismantled after the Vietnam War. During WWII, at its peak it was making a million pounds of propellants PER DAY on six parallel production lines. I was in charge of the environmental cleanup project there about 15 years ago.

This!

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Everything will be fine.
It always has been and with a few ups and downs it always will be.
Don’t panic.

I think we do to much business with China, India, Russia, Ukraine and others.

But the 1%ers are getting rich and richer.

Good thing I stocked up on the last bit of ammo I really needed just recently...

It's funny, I kept having this nagging feeling that I should do so sooner rather than later, so ultimately I caved in an ordered some bulk 5.56 M193. Good thing I did, because as if folks weren't already going to start hoarding ammo before the election, this will drive it over the edge.

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Shooting Comfort is bilateral.

This is a bit different. China has never cut off our ingredients for ammo. It’ll take years to get the one plant shut down in the early 2000’s started back up to replacing Chinas 63%. With WW3 looming, things aren’t like they were in the past.

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I just bought a few boxes of calibers that I didn’t have since I just recently picked up a 45 Colt. I stocked up after the last shortages we had. We’ve had shortages before but not having the ingredients we need is going to cause the military to get first choice and civilians might get what’s left.

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I'm 75 this year, so I can predict my future needs. I have been a computer geek since College, so my data and spreadsheets show how much I need for each year and how long my supplies will last.

If I die early my heirs will have a windfall. If I die late, sucks to be me because I won't be able to shoot any more.

Anywhoot.....
Boolits have not been a problem for 20 years. When WWs were starting to be converted to zinc I bought a ton (literally a TON) and rock bottom prices. It took a couple years to melt and convert to ingots, but I truly have a lifetime supply.

Brass is a no-brainer. Mine usually last for many many reloads, so another lifetime.

Primers have been an issue. But recently the availability has been good and even though I cringe at the price, it is what it is. Recent purchases meet my spreadsheet requirements.

Powder....humm. I read about the NC China issue recently. About the same time my preferred supplier had acceptable powder choices in stock. Some times free shipping and sometimes zero hazmat charge. Stocked up. My spreadsheet is now happy.

I DID have to stop buying beer for 2 months, but my SS check finally caught up.

It is what it is. Like the girl scouts say: "Be prepared". If you don't prepare, don't complain. If you can't afford it, I am truly sorry. If it comes to that for me I'll get my old bowling ball out of the closet.

We know someone who has it in his mind to do this.........

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Come and take it!!

If it looks like we may get in a shooting scrape...EPA and other agencies will be silenced by the powers that be...meaning higher ranked bureaucrats. And time will be of the essence. Might even make some idle people go to work for the first time of their lives

Explain how Obama has FOUR mansions on a govt salary? One in Hawaii, one in Chicago, one in Martha's Vineyard (with the mysterious death of the chef) & one in NYC.

I could care less about the 1%. It's the crooked, lying pols I care about, of either party.

I invested in some precious metals. Steel, aluminum, brass, and lead.

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...And a lot of other stuff. Put our people back to work and quit sending money to China to finance their military ambitions. A lot of our military equipment is made with parts from China. Do you think maybe they might contain a bot or two? We need more tariffs on Chinese products and tax penalties on US companies that have factories in China and other countries who don't like us. It may cost a little more, but bring our manufacturing home and build our middle class back to where it should be. I do everything I can to keep from buying anything made in China. We are endangering our country by doing so. Another problem is China buying farm property and processing (think Smithfield) in our country while we can't buy even one acre there. This needs to be stopped right now.

China already did that. Remember when scrap metal prices went sky high a few years ago? It was because China was buying everything they could get. Boatloads of our scrap metals went to them where they were picked apart and sorted by prisoners and peons until China now has the largest stockpile of critical metals in the world. The prices went back down after China got what they wanted to supply their military and industrial complex. They now have enough of various metals to keep them going for decades while our government was more than happy to help.

My Dad was a chemical engineer for Hercules and made rocket powder in Lawrence, Kansas during WWII. My older brother was born there. After the War was over he came home to Hercules Powder Co., later named Hercules Inc. in Hattiesburg, Ms. where he retired in 1977 after 38 years with the company. The only thing left of that company in Hattiesburg is two large smokestacks which will be imploded at some time in the future. I once had a S&W Victory model that lettered to Hercules Powder in WWII. It didn't have the US Property markings on the top strap. I was stupid for getting rid of that one. I will probably see you in Louisville next Spring.

This is what happens when you let China take over the manufacture of vital strategic goods. We are vying to become the most stupid nation ever on the face of the earth.

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It all sounds great, but it only works if there are comparable products to choose in their place. If not, import tariffs amount to a tax on the American consumer. And since we don't manufacture much of anything these days...

I'm surprised it took the Chinese so long to do this.

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Does anybody make load data for that?



Just to keep with the spirit of the thread, maybe Uncle Sam will give some incentive for US companies to start producing again. I'll sell him some of mine.

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"He was kinda funny lookin'"

I don’t know if anyone else has noticed, a huge contract was just awarded to rebuild the air base they dropped the atomic bombs from on Tinian. They are also building a new Marine base on Guam. Hold on to your hats gentlemen, WW III is just around the corner. Not sure what we’ll fight it with without gun powder materials, but time will tell.

try finding an American Flag made in America!

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Carry on....

That's what happens when a country pays a VP's & POTUS' son millions of $$$ over a stretch of years. It's been documented & publicized, it's not like I'm making it up. 10% for The Big Guy was the norm during all that time.

People need to stop voting for professional politicians! Elect businessmen & women, people who have been in charge of a payroll!

Mao wouldn't let them, for starters. Nor would the next several successors. It was only after the fall of the Soviet Union & subsequent break-up that China realized they would be next if they didn't change.

And the rest is history.....................

Unfortunately, our country is dependent on too many other countries for our vital supplies, and some are not friendly to us and in fact some, like China, are our adversaries. This is done all for the sake of increased profit.
What could possibly go wrong?

We do need to decrease the amount of chinese goods we import. But it's going to cost you and I money to do that. One way or another.

If we find American made alternatives, we're going to pay more for them.

If the government forces the issue through tariffs, we're going to pay more.

Remember that all taxes, fees, tariffs and any other expense laid on companies is ultimately paid by the end user in the form of higher prices for goods and services.

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A 30 second search found
flagstoreusa.com

I can't find the receipt right now but we bought a flag last year that was advertised as 100% American made.

This link says 13 best american made flags. It was the second link in the above mentioned search.

13 Best American Flags Made in USA (2024 List) - All American Made

Toaster

Access to this page has been denied

Coffee maker
Access to this page has been denied maker~bb&pcrid=79783519094270&device=m&targetid=dat-2331583126624386:loc-190&channel=BingIntent&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Small Electrics~102 (Mobile)&utm_term=coffee maker&utm_content=79783519094270&network=s&query=american made coffee maker&msclkid=2c0b020bd76713339b1764f2ad179a5e

Those are the first links in a simple search. There were more links but I'm not shipping for those so I'm not looking at all links.
They are not cheap, but you should blame China loving amazon shoppers for that issue.

I’ve not read all the posts on this but have a theory why China cut us off.

If you follow the news, China, N. Korea and Russia recently have been getting really chummy. Putin is upset because the US is furnishing weapons to Ukraine and has threatened the US if we continue. I wonder if Russia is putting pressure on China to stop selling these components to us knowing we must have them to manufacture the ammunition we’re sending to Ukraine. They know our stockpile for our own defense is low as well and we’re very vulnerable at this time. We’re also at a point where we have no leadership and the country is a cultural and political disaster.

Just my thoughts.

I try to stay ahead of the curve and maintain a large inventory of components. I’m almost 76 and arthritic so I limit my shooting in quantity and potency of loads so I don’t need another 50 years of 44 mag components. So I’m only adding components when the price is right. I went to add 1500 projectiles to my 38 cal stockpile today and one of my suppliers had a disclaimer about having to increase prices due to the rising cost of antimony, speak of the devil. Anyway I went to my other supplier and prices were the same as the last time I bought. Actually over the past 5 or 6 years I don’t believe they’ve raised prices. That’s refreshing.

Stock up while the prices are where they’re at. They aren’t cheap like the 60’s but the 60’s wer outrageous compared to the 30’s. Folks, things aren’t going to get cheaper and you’ll be happy in a year or so that you bought when you did. Just pre pandemic I bought Federal primers for $45/1000 and almost had a nose bleed at the prices but I’m glad I did. I was thinking about the ones I bought just before that at $30 and felt screwed because I’d paid $24 before that and even cheaper before that. You get my point. One day soon, $89/1000 is going to look pretty good so sacrifice a month of beer and stockup if you love shooting.

Nice idea, but practically impossible these days. Think you're buying something that was "made in America?" It is almost certain that many of the components were actually made in China, and only assembled in America. Or maybe the factory equipment that they used to make the item in America, was bought from China.

They have their fingers into EVERYTHING nowadays. It is going to take a lot of time and effort to untangle the Chinese from our economy. I hope it happens, but in the meantime, it is virtually impossible to buy anything that won't contribute some amount of money to the Chinese economy.

Have to start someplace. It's better than throwing up hands and whining all the time.

It is all in the re-election funds which can be spent in any means possible to further re-election efforts. These funds are never audited, and become managed by the candidate after his term in office.

You could ask how they are managed, and find that the terms are set by the elected parties holding offices.

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Makes me wonder, carefully: What if USA had not interfered with Japanese expansion 90 years ago? There would not have been a Pearl Harbor attack, but still a rape of Nanking.

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True enough. The point, though, is that if you want to avoid doing business with China you have to look much deeper than just whether or not the seller puts a "made in America" label on it.

I have watched the USofA go down this rabbit hole for a long time. I remember getting sideways looks when turning down purchases of non domestic products back in the 70's. Contractors I worked for would get there cheap azz knock-offs smoked in less than a day if I used 'em. And now here we are folks. How many people we know down right enjoyed the cheap goods for decades .. put countless people, their own neighbors out of work while gorging on the junk fed to them over the years.

Yeah yeah .... I know how this works.