Is this a gimmicky ammo, is it not really worth it, or is it a Great idea. Not saying you should but some are switching from 9mm or converting 9mm to the 30 super carry. I'm not sold yet that it's a Good ammo option, maybe you have some input that says otherwise..
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30 Super Carry Ammo..
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I haven't followed that round too closely BUT I 'think' it was meant to be an automatic type cartridge with similar power of the 327 Fed. mag revolver cartridge.
According to Wikipedia it's 32 cal at 9mm power level not the 327 mag level - FWIW.
According to Wikipedia it's 32 cal at 9mm power level not the 327 mag level - FWIW.
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gwpercle
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Rimless , tapered case for semi-auto handguns .
.312" bullet dia. , 100 grs weight , 1250 fps velocity ...
347 lbs. Energy .
Not quite a 9mm luger but a little better than a 380 auto
close too but not quite a 30 Mauser (7.63 Mauser) !
Time Will Tell ... and a lot will depend on the availability of factory
ammo .
Gary
.312" bullet dia. , 100 grs weight , 1250 fps velocity ...
347 lbs. Energy .
Not quite a 9mm luger but a little better than a 380 auto
close too but not quite a 30 Mauser (7.63 Mauser) !
Time Will Tell ... and a lot will depend on the availability of factory
ammo .
Gary
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Couldn't have said it better, myself.
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I will fully admit that I am a person to accept major change slowly. That said, if I am to be convinced to change (and I have been at times for good reasons) there had better be a legitimate and very good reason to do so.
I am bewildered by people who buy guns chambered for ammunition that does nothing any better than what is currently available in other very close to spec. cartridges. I am also dazzled why someone would buy a new caliber that is going to be scarce, hard to find in any meaningful choices and expensive at best.
Now don't get me wrong here, if something comes out that is revolutionary, does perform much better than another close in caliber cartridge or has a special purpose that you are looking for - go for it! Just be prepared to buy a lifetime supply of ammo, reloading dies and components to feed it because new cartridges seldom enjoy a long life.
Now let's mention the guns themselves.... If a new cartridge is developed and it turns out to be a bust or unpopular down the road, where does that leave you? Are you going to be able to sell it easily and for a good price or are people going to shy away because of unavailable reasonably priced ammo? Are you going to be able to practically buy components and reload ammo for it? Do you have the time and patience to reload? Are you going to actually spend lots of hard earned money to buy enough ammo to feed and practice with it? And most of all, what are you really accomplishing with that newly invented gun/caliber combo?
Make no mistake about it - many new fangled cartridges are "invented" to sell more product, market to different people and sell more guns and ammo. I understand that is the American way, it is not a new concept and will aways continue. Yes, there are on rare occasion in the gun times when ammo company's or firearms manufacturers do come out with new and viable products that do change things drastically and make a huge practical advantage. One such invention would be the relatively new crop of Micro 9's that came onto the market over the last decade. Another would be the invention of Kydex holsters, although I do not personally like or own any of them - I can see the reasons some people do.
So all I am trying to convey here is that before actually buying a "new" caliber firearm, think long & hard about the ammo supply, availability and what that new caliber is really going to do appreciably better than what has been a time proven, loaded for a readily available cartridge for many decades.
The reason the 9mm has been around for over 100 years and is now more popular than ever is simply because it is about the best cartridge there has ever been in a small, relatively lightweight weight convenient package. As much as the industry has tried, I am unaware of any other cartridge that is similar in size, weight, velocities and power that will outperform today's 9mm ammo and firearms chambered for it. When it comes to price and availability nothing else comes even close!
I am bewildered by people who buy guns chambered for ammunition that does nothing any better than what is currently available in other very close to spec. cartridges. I am also dazzled why someone would buy a new caliber that is going to be scarce, hard to find in any meaningful choices and expensive at best.
Now don't get me wrong here, if something comes out that is revolutionary, does perform much better than another close in caliber cartridge or has a special purpose that you are looking for - go for it! Just be prepared to buy a lifetime supply of ammo, reloading dies and components to feed it because new cartridges seldom enjoy a long life.
Now let's mention the guns themselves.... If a new cartridge is developed and it turns out to be a bust or unpopular down the road, where does that leave you? Are you going to be able to sell it easily and for a good price or are people going to shy away because of unavailable reasonably priced ammo? Are you going to be able to practically buy components and reload ammo for it? Do you have the time and patience to reload? Are you going to actually spend lots of hard earned money to buy enough ammo to feed and practice with it? And most of all, what are you really accomplishing with that newly invented gun/caliber combo?
Make no mistake about it - many new fangled cartridges are "invented" to sell more product, market to different people and sell more guns and ammo. I understand that is the American way, it is not a new concept and will aways continue. Yes, there are on rare occasion in the gun times when ammo company's or firearms manufacturers do come out with new and viable products that do change things drastically and make a huge practical advantage. One such invention would be the relatively new crop of Micro 9's that came onto the market over the last decade. Another would be the invention of Kydex holsters, although I do not personally like or own any of them - I can see the reasons some people do.
So all I am trying to convey here is that before actually buying a "new" caliber firearm, think long & hard about the ammo supply, availability and what that new caliber is really going to do appreciably better than what has been a time proven, loaded for a readily available cartridge for many decades.
The reason the 9mm has been around for over 100 years and is now more popular than ever is simply because it is about the best cartridge there has ever been in a small, relatively lightweight weight convenient package. As much as the industry has tried, I am unaware of any other cartridge that is similar in size, weight, velocities and power that will outperform today's 9mm ammo and firearms chambered for it. When it comes to price and availability nothing else comes even close!
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The case is described as tapered, but there is only .005" difference between the neck and base, until it is fired! I'll bet the case is as straight as any revolver case then.
SAAMI doesn't have dimensions published yet.
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Wimp Jimmy still carrying a .45. Old Guy still believes in big bullets.
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One guy's attempt to answer your "bewilderment"-
I buy new stuff (chamberings, platforms, ect...)to try it out.
Shooting/guns is my hobby, not an investment. I got a financial guy to manage my investments.
If the cartridge isn't supported in a few years, I will dump it, take a loss and move on.
Does a .30 SC do anything revolutionary?
Hell no. But for me thats ok, I enjoy playing with new stuff. Just like my 7wsm, it doesn't do anything a 7rem mag does. I bought one, now I have to reload for it. If I get sick of it, its either going down the road or getting made into a .358wsm.
Some of us buy stuff just because it looks cool or to try out.
I think you're right, they invent a caliber every year now. The case a little longer, a little shorter for what?
It is useless to invent calibers just to give people a case they have never seen but with equal performance to other calibers. There will be at least a thousand pistol calibers in the world but people use 10...no one will remember the others in a couple of years. If you invent something new at least make it better than what exists otherwise it's a waste of time. This is my opinion
TJm15.38
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Why would I need a handgun in this caliber? I have semi-auto handguns in 7.65 (.32 ACP), 9x19, 9x18 Makarov, .380 ACP and .45 ACP. If I want to carry a .30 caliber, there's always the 1952-vintage Polish TTC in 7.62x25 Tokarev. 
Got a feeling that the Tokarev is on par with the power of the .30 Super Carry.
Got a feeling that the Tokarev is on par with the power of the .30 Super Carry.NoSteponSnek
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Don't know what I can say about .30 SC that hasn't already been said, other than I'll stick with the tried and true 9mm cartridge.
The Super Carry is a solution in search of a problem, if you ask me... But more power to you if you trust your life to it.
The Super Carry is a solution in search of a problem, if you ask me... But more power to you if you trust your life to it.
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The 30 SC was designed to increase capacity while still being as effective as a standard pressure 9mm. If you have ever found yourself buying Magguts spring kits or aftermarket magazines to get more rounds into your carry gun the cartridge makes sense. Otherwise 9mm is cheaper and in +P loadings more effective.
But I disagree with those that say 30 SC is a "solution in search of a problem". Increasing capacity without increasing gun size is a very real concern for many people. There is a whole cottage industry built on increasing capacity. From companies like Shield Arms that offer metal magazines for 1.5 stack Glocks, to companies offer extended base plates and companies like Magguts that entire product line is based on increasing capacity. One of the main reasons 9mm is the most popular handgun cartridge is the US is capacity. Anyone that says capacity is not a huge concern is not paying attention.
But I disagree with those that say 30 SC is a "solution in search of a problem". Increasing capacity without increasing gun size is a very real concern for many people. There is a whole cottage industry built on increasing capacity. From companies like Shield Arms that offer metal magazines for 1.5 stack Glocks, to companies offer extended base plates and companies like Magguts that entire product line is based on increasing capacity. One of the main reasons 9mm is the most popular handgun cartridge is the US is capacity. Anyone that says capacity is not a huge concern is not paying attention.
cocojo
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I bought a shield ez in 30SC and Im impressed with this caliber. I tested it in velocity and ballistic gell. Excellent performance! I have been a 9mm guy when everyone in the 70’s were 45 guys with 1911’s. I liked my smiths 39 & 59. Well I clocked the hst 30 at 1295 and expansion at .54 with a depth of 15 3/4. Then remington hp at 1309 .54 exp with a depth of 17 1/2. That to me is excellent performance. More ammo to choose from is always great. I will not hesitated to carry this round ever. Im glad there are more options to choose. Kudo’s to federal and smith and wesson.
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